Charrette à chien, peut-être en France? Est-ce la rue de Riosspelk?
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Where: Brussels Capital, Bruxelles-Capitale, Belgium
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When: 01 January 1901
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The catalogue description gives us "A woman and two men pushing and pulling a cart with a child on it along a cobblestone street, possibly in France, Rue de Riosspelk". Well you all know that we like to have a good foreign shot from time to time, what can you tell us about this cracking photo from the Dillons?
+++ UPDATE +++
Well, this was our very first photograph ever that featured a dog pulling a cart! Lovely that after all these years, we're still finding unexpected gems in our photos. derangedlemur and Niall McAuley weren't long in narrowing this “Out Foreign” Dillon family photograph to Belgium, then to Brussels. And with Sharon Corbet’s help, we found ourselves located on the Rue aux Laines.
Photographers: Dillon Family
Contributors: Luke Gerald Dillon, Augusta Caroline Dillon
Collection: Clonbrock Photographic Collection
Date: 1860-1930
NLI Ref: CLON1330
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
Views: 13276
+++ UPDATE +++
Well, this was our very first photograph ever that featured a dog pulling a cart! Lovely that after all these years, we're still finding unexpected gems in our photos. derangedlemur and Niall McAuley weren't long in narrowing this “Out Foreign” Dillon family photograph to Belgium, then to Brussels. And with Sharon Corbet’s help, we found ourselves located on the Rue aux Laines.
Photographers: Dillon Family
Contributors: Luke Gerald Dillon, Augusta Caroline Dillon
Collection: Clonbrock Photographic Collection
Date: 1860-1930
NLI Ref: CLON1330
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Views: 13276
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DannyM8
A Dog pulling a cart, very nice. 🐕
derangedlemur
If they've got the street name right (which I doubt) it'd be Belgium rather than France.
derangedlemur
No idea where it is, so it's wild guess time: Versailles. Edit: Actually, Versailles is pretty flat. I don't think it could be there.
Niall McAuley
there is a street sign at right reading: RUE DES XXX XXXX STRAAT So Brussels/Belgium looks likely
Niall McAuley
Ruysbroeck, maybe?
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Dog carts would also be very Belgian/North-Eastern French.
Niall McAuley
I could be persuaded that the cross street was a Rue Des Beaux Arts, given the nearby museums. I don't see such a street today. Edit: no such street on an 1882 map either. It can only be Rue de Sainte Anne Straat
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley If it is Belgium, the persistent Belgian policy of getting in the way of German invasions of France could make it difficult to find. And if it's northeast France, the same applies, pretty much.
derangedlemur
I'd thought that said Straat as well, but every other bit of visible text is in French. That might be a red herring.
Niall McAuley
Junction of the Rue de Ruysbroeck and Rue De Sainte Anne. 37 Ruisbroekstraat maps.app.goo.gl/d2STM7HZ8LjV7oLX9
Niall McAuley
No, perhaps not. We are near there, the Annonce at right is clearly advertising something on the Rue de Ruysbroeck, but this is a wider street.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I keep reading Rue des Quatre Bras for the cross street.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet There's a lot of those in Belgium. Must be all them windmills.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Okay, my guess is the corner of Rue des Quatre Bras and Rue aux Laines in Brussels. As in here-ish.
Wendy:
great to see some continental sleuthing!
sharon.corbet
On p11 of the pdf (p19 of the leaflet itself) there’s a photo showing the Auberge au Roy Espagne, with what looks like the triangular scaffolding thing to the left. The Auberge is on Rue aux Laines, at the gates of the Egmont Palace.
O Mac
Being a Dillon photograph it won't be too away from a palace or castle. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Here's another dog pretending to be a horse catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522169/MooviewerImg?mobile...
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ in your pdf, look at the poets house on p16, then at the house in the background today
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ha! I missed that. Went for the more complicated option instead.
Niall McAuley
does this mean we are before the Palais de Justice 1866 to 1883? The massive scaffolding could be part of the construction of the courts?
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Isn’t that behind us?
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Tough on the poor old Dog! 🐕
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Wikipedia says that there were a series of houses built on the even-numbered side of the street in 1904/5. The scaffolding may be related to that, or the fancy turreted building on the corner of Rue du Grand Cerf.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Great work today, well done.
O Mac
I believe the tower on right is holding up telephone wires. Dillon's travelled to Europe and were in Brussels June 1901.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Large triangular tube structure with lattice cross bracing looks more of a permanent structure that scaffolding. No work platforms in situ. Radio aerial? It also seems to end or be fixed to the roof of the house next door but one from house that is demolished. There does appear to be scaffolding on a building top left of frame.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Well done! I looked at that corner and rejected it after you suggested Rue Quatre Bras. The extra digging paid off.
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ ok, my 1882 map is sideways and I got dizzy. I think the turrethuis replaced the poethuis and could give a date?
cargeofg
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522171 June 1901 also in collection is Clon 637.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] The turrethuis is Rue du Grand Cerf 2,4 and dates from 1901.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2009 via some eejit ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/49919359827/
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Monday 24 June 1901 according to ... catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522169 (different doggie-cart) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522171 (from the Palais de Justice) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522166 (lady holding box camera, at 14:45, about 20 minutes later)
Inverarra
Unusual photo. Thanks. It was a dogs life back then.
John Spooner
Has Guillaume Stiquères been up to his old tricks again on the RH wall?
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Bit of cross posting. Had a look at Marconi Stations and apart from the fact there are non listed for Brussels. They were mostly sited at coastal town/ports. Telephone exchange below lattice structure?
O Mac
cargeofg Probably.. These telephone wire towers got a bit outa hand... I came on this one in London .. with finials atop.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That is one heck of a lot of insulators and wire.Good find. We have also seen those cast finials on some poles in Waterford docks a few weeks ago. Also Interesting to note on photo "before fire" and comments as to it been English from name of studio. A whole little side project on its own.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I’m not convinced that this is the same trip. The turrethuis should be visible, and that was supposed to be built in 1901. I would have expected at least some sort of demolition/construction work on the right side of the street if it were July 1901.
suckindeesel
How pleasant to sit in that corner cafe in old Bruxelles with a pain aux raisin, sipping a nice coffee, or something stronger and watching the dog carts go by.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... and smelling the drains! https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Why would anyone go back to Brussels? 😛 YIKES! Flickr has added emoji bottom left. Virtual fine for anyone using them ❗
suckindeesel
Anywhere I could sit outside and sip a coffee looks good to me at the moment.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia We need like/upvote buttons, not emojis😄
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] How much should the fine be?
Simon_Bates
Poor dog!
Swordscookie
I read many times over the years of a "Dog Cart" but generally thought it was a particularly small cart not necessarily one pulled by a dog! That really is a fantastic shot and it is easy to see why it attracted so much attention. Well done to all on the great work!
Dr. Ilia
Great composition