Charrette à chien, peut-être en France? Est-ce la rue de Riosspelk?

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Where: Brussels Capital, Bruxelles-Capitale, Belgium

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When: 01 January 1901

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The catalogue description gives us "A woman and two men pushing and pulling a cart with a child on it along a cobblestone street, possibly in France, Rue de Riosspelk". Well you all know that we like to have a good foreign shot from time to time, what can you tell us about this cracking photo from the Dillons?

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Well, this was our very first photograph ever that featured a dog pulling a cart! Lovely that after all these years, we're still finding unexpected gems in our photos. derangedlemur and Niall McAuley weren't long in narrowing this “Out Foreign” Dillon family photograph to Belgium, then to Brussels. And with Sharon Corbet’s help, we found ourselves located on the Rue aux Laines.

Photographers: Dillon Family

Contributors: Luke Gerald Dillon, Augusta Caroline Dillon

Collection: Clonbrock Photographic Collection

Date: 1860-1930

NLI Ref: CLON1330

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    DannyM8

    • 21/May/2020 05:53:03

    A Dog pulling a cart, very nice. 🐕

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 06:32:48

    If they've got the street name right (which I doubt) it'd be Belgium rather than France.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 06:44:40

    No idea where it is, so it's wild guess time: Versailles. Edit: Actually, Versailles is pretty flat. I don't think it could be there.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 07:07:31

    there is a street sign at right reading: RUE DES XXX XXXX STRAAT So Brussels/Belgium looks likely

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 07:12:30

    Ruysbroeck, maybe?

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 07:13:53

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Dog carts would also be very Belgian/North-Eastern French.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 07:18:11

    I could be persuaded that the cross street was a Rue Des Beaux Arts, given the nearby museums. I don't see such a street today. Edit: no such street on an 1882 map either. It can only be Rue de Sainte Anne Straat

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 07:18:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley If it is Belgium, the persistent Belgian policy of getting in the way of German invasions of France could make it difficult to find. And if it's northeast France, the same applies, pretty much.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 07:35:19

    I'd thought that said Straat as well, but every other bit of visible text is in French. That might be a red herring.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 07:39:52

    Junction of the Rue de Ruysbroeck and Rue De Sainte Anne. 37 Ruisbroekstraat maps.app.goo.gl/d2STM7HZ8LjV7oLX9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 07:53:15

    No, perhaps not. We are near there, the Annonce at right is clearly advertising something on the Rue de Ruysbroeck, but this is a wider street.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 08:01:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I keep reading Rue des Quatre Bras for the cross street.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 08:17:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet There's a lot of those in Belgium. Must be all them windmills.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 08:32:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Okay, my guess is the corner of Rue des Quatre Bras and Rue aux Laines in Brussels. As in here-ish.

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    Wendy:

    • 21/May/2020 08:35:32

    great to see some continental sleuthing!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 08:41:19

    On p11 of the pdf (p19 of the leaflet itself) there’s a photo showing the Auberge au Roy Espagne, with what looks like the triangular scaffolding thing to the left. The Auberge is on Rue aux Laines, at the gates of the Egmont Palace.

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    O Mac

    • 21/May/2020 08:52:32

    Being a Dillon photograph it won't be too away from a palace or castle. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] Here's another dog pretending to be a horse catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522169/MooviewerImg?mobile...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 08:53:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ in your pdf, look at the poets house on p16, then at the house in the background today

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 08:57:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Ha! I missed that. Went for the more complicated option instead.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 09:06:10

    does this mean we are before the Palais de Justice 1866 to 1883? The massive scaffolding could be part of the construction of the courts?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 09:14:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Isn’t that behind us?

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    DannyM8

    • 21/May/2020 09:20:27

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Tough on the poor old Dog! 🐕

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 09:26:58

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Wikipedia says that there were a series of houses built on the even-numbered side of the street in 1904/5. The scaffolding may be related to that, or the fancy turreted building on the corner of Rue du Grand Cerf.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/May/2020 09:32:05

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Great work today, well done.

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    O Mac

    • 21/May/2020 09:33:24

    I believe the tower on right is holding up telephone wires. Dillon's travelled to Europe and were in Brussels June 1901.

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    cargeofg

    • 21/May/2020 09:38:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Large triangular tube structure with lattice cross bracing looks more of a permanent structure that scaffolding. No work platforms in situ. Radio aerial? It also seems to end or be fixed to the roof of the house next door but one from house that is demolished. There does appear to be scaffolding on a building top left of frame.

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    derangedlemur

    • 21/May/2020 09:43:31

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Well done! I looked at that corner and rejected it after you suggested Rue Quatre Bras. The extra digging paid off.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/May/2020 09:48:13

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ ok, my 1882 map is sideways and I got dizzy. I think the turrethuis replaced the poethuis and could give a date?

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    cargeofg

    • 21/May/2020 10:01:01

    catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522171 June 1901 also in collection is Clon 637.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 10:24:46

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] The turrethuis is Rue du Grand Cerf 2,4 and dates from 1901.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/May/2020 10:26:54

    Flickr is sometimes amazing! In 2009 via some eejit ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/49919359827/

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/May/2020 11:01:28

    Monday 24 June 1901 according to ... catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522169 (different doggie-cart) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522171 (from the Palais de Justice) catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000522166 (lady holding box camera, at 14:45, about 20 minutes later)

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    Inverarra

    • 21/May/2020 11:19:07

    Unusual photo. Thanks. It was a dogs life back then.

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    John Spooner

    • 21/May/2020 12:37:53

    Has Guillaume Stiquères been up to his old tricks again on the RH wall?

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    cargeofg

    • 21/May/2020 13:30:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Bit of cross posting. Had a look at Marconi Stations and apart from the fact there are non listed for Brussels. They were mostly sited at coastal town/ports. Telephone exchange below lattice structure?

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    O Mac

    • 21/May/2020 14:15:18

    cargeofg Probably.. These telephone wire towers got a bit outa hand... I came on this one in London .. with finials atop. "Bank derrick before fire" Unidentified location by picturepast

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    cargeofg

    • 21/May/2020 15:39:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That is one heck of a lot of insulators and wire.Good find. We have also seen those cast finials on some poles in Waterford docks a few weeks ago. Also Interesting to note on photo "before fire" and comments as to it been English from name of studio. A whole little side project on its own.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 21/May/2020 18:38:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I’m not convinced that this is the same trip. The turrethuis should be visible, and that was supposed to be built in 1901. I would have expected at least some sort of demolition/construction work on the right side of the street if it were July 1901.

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/May/2020 20:00:05

    How pleasant to sit in that corner cafe in old Bruxelles with a pain aux raisin, sipping a nice coffee, or something stronger and watching the dog carts go by.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/May/2020 21:52:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... and smelling the drains! https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Why would anyone go back to Brussels? 😛 YIKES! Flickr has added emoji bottom left. Virtual fine for anyone using them ❗

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    suckindeesel

    • 21/May/2020 23:21:08

    Anywhere I could sit outside and sip a coffee looks good to me at the moment.

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    derangedlemur

    • 22/May/2020 05:57:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia We need like/upvote buttons, not emojis😄

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/May/2020 07:24:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] How much should the fine be?

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    Simon_Bates

    • 22/May/2020 07:30:12

    Poor dog!

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    Swordscookie

    • 22/May/2020 08:05:24

    I read many times over the years of a "Dog Cart" but generally thought it was a particularly small cart not necessarily one pulled by a dog! That really is a fantastic shot and it is easy to see why it attracted so much attention. Well done to all on the great work!

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 26/May/2020 08:00:10

    Great composition