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To end the week, a stroll down the Mall in Newtownbarry is called for! A day to reflect, to relax, and to prepare for the weekend ahead, and all the activity that will take place? Oh Wait, this is Covid Country, and the weekend will be lockdown AGAIN!
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_CAB_08948
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Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Circa 1865 - 1914
NLI Ref: L_CAB_08948
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It is with the greatest of pleasure to invite you to join A MARKET PLACE group along with your brilliant and exceptional photos of the stalls depicted. Thank you and have a great day.
O Mac
Bunclody, Co. Wexford maps.app.goo.gl/RqNa7z4W6HQZfhAy6
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Flickr is sometimes amazingly close! In 2013 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnduggan/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnduggan/10307390173/
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We have come across that round "red hand" sign (bottom left) before, but for the life of me I cannot rember where or when. Is it to do with a cycling club?
O Mac
The name over the near shop seems to read "F Guilbride". The only F Guilbride in Newtownbarry on the 1911 census has occupation as Master Miller? He is not shown on the 1901 census. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Newtown...
cargeofg
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000317775 Rebuilt frontage of Murphy Bros also fresh render of Kavanaghs who took over Brennens. Red hand sign is also on the cycle/hardware shop.
O Mac
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I was just thinking the same myself.. Where have we seen that sign before? Its an enamel sign for Rudge Whitworth Cycles. Post 1894 when they merged. Top of Grafton Street??
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I thought Grafton Street, I remembered the shop, but no obvious logo there.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The only early one I know was the CTC, whose emblem was a winged wheel. There's a Read Hand Trophy cycle race in the north, though. However, there is a velocipedestrienne around somewhere.
John Spooner
Hmm. A bicycle standing up on its own, and a man leaning on the shopfront. Sergeant Pluck can't be far away. "when a man lets things go so far that he is more than half a bicycle, you will not see him so much because he spends a lot of his time leaning with one elbow on walls "
John Spooner
F and S Guilbride of Newtownbarry were agents for the celebrated special manure products of RIchardson Bros and Co, including RIchardson's Dissolved Guano, Raw Peruvian Guano, Russian and American Linseed Cakes, and many other products (Waterford Standard - Saturday 08 February 1890)
John Spooner
F Guilbride might be Francis Guilbride, a child whose hat was stolen in 1860, a crime for which Patrick and Ellen Brady were each sentenced to two months hard labour. (Wexford People - Saturday 27 October 1860)
cargeofg
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000317777 Reverse view. Signs on cycle/hardware shop same but plate number is 9268.
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A wonderful concert by local folk in the street in the 1960s. Guaranteed to get your toes tapping ... youtu.be/cmH9_kEC51Y
John Spooner
Rudge Whitworth. Advert from The New Ross Standard 25th May 1901, mentioning Guilbride's as agent.
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Here it is on the 4th Shop on the right of this photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/10958329045
Bernard Healy
Note the Shaw's bacon poster in the window of Guilbride's - here's a reproduction: fineartamerica.com/featured/shaws-bacon-and-hams-gavin-wi... Does that help with dating? The 'As supplied to Royalty' suggests a time before the rise of a more robust nationalist sensibility. I've seen suggestions that the poster is 1900s/1910s online, but perhaps someone here knows more.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Owen, have a look at the household return form for the 1901 Census position No1 is blank and there is a handwtitten note saying the "Head of family absent on 31st March" I have never seen this before. As you say he is not listed elsewhere in the Irish census, I wonder [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] is he in the UK version for 1901?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Well spotted.
John Spooner
In April 1902 the New Ross Standard reported on a meeting of the "newly-organised Newtownbarry Cycling Club". As someone who seems to have had a finger in every Newtownbarry pie, and also someone who could see a way of increasing bicycle sales, was F Guilbride JP. Also among the many members present was T Torsney ("The Flying Policeman") and a committee was elected, including F Guilbride as vice-president and A Bond and S Brennan as buglers.
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✋ Shaw's Bacon poster is 1901 according to https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlylehold/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/carlylehold/8488922993 It says "Her Majesty" at the bottom ...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia your video is great, I will never forget the song Bunclody with the last line "When I think of Bunclody, I'm ready to die"
John Spooner
The Guilbride business was put up for auction on 22nd January 1907. "Drapers Grocers,Bakers, Seed and Manure Merchants. The premises are situate in a commanding position in the Market-square, are very extensive, and have been constructed to meet the requirements of the extensive and lucrative trade carried out for many years by Messrs Guilbride" The business was bought by a Mr Lowlor of Bray for £1,500. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I suspect the F Guilbride in the 1911 census is the son of the shopkeeper, as there was an F Guilbride who was playing cricket for Newtownbarry in the 1890s, when the shopkeeper and JP would probably have been rather long in the tooth for such things.
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Mr Eason was there a bit later. Second house from left still not rebuilt - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000559372 . Spot the differences!
John Spooner
According to familysearch.org, a Francis Langford Guilbride was born in 1880. Langford was the also the middle name of the daughter of Francis Guilbride the shopkeeper JP (as seen in a marriage announcement).
John Spooner
And also that Samuel Arthur Guilbride, born 1884 in Newtonbarry, son of Francis Guilbride and Wilhelmina Barret, married Phyllis Jessie Ashton at Victoria, British Columbia, on 13th August 1914.
John Spooner
A Francis Guilbride married Ann Langford in 1828. I'd guess that's the father of the shopkeeper JP Francis Guilbride (who gave his children the middle name of his mother's surname) and grandfather of the cricketer F Guilbride.
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ is "Spot" the Dogs name in the Eason shot?
John Spooner
Deaths for Francis Guilbrides registered in Enniscorthy: 1872 (b 1806) and 1919 (b 1840) And Samuel Guilbride ( the S in F & S Guilbride? ) died in 1897 (b 1851)
John Spooner
Rudge Whitworth - the story behind The Hand
suckindeesel
Pratt's Motor Spirit would imply the coming of the motorcar age. Ariel cycle and motors might be dateable. See also web.archive.org/web/20120702104938/http://www.charlesprat... for how the rich guard their fortunes over time.
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The waterway leads to a mill (Clody bridge), it must be the race that existed before the town developed.
cargeofg
www.flickr.com/photos/theoldbikeshome/4860242204/in/photo... Same as sign on shop with early car. Clearer in reverse view but can find no dates for this style.
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ "In the 19th century, a small canal was made, drawing water from the Clody river, to provide drinking water for the town. The canal still flows along the middle of the town's main street." wiki. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ F Guilbride was 69 when censustised in 1911. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Well done on remembering where we last saw the Red Hand sign... bet Whitworth sold a lot of bikes up the wee North.
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I wonder when it went on sale in Ireland? Part of J. D. Rockefeller's oil empire. "The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets." --J. D. Rockefeller
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 69 at the 1911 census would make his year of birth 1841 or 1842. In the 1801 census there's a 60-yar-old Francis Guilbride, born 1841 (estimated) in Wexford, widower, farmer and miller, who is a visitor at Clifton, Co Antrim. The shop owner was born in tantalising close in 1840 (12th March).
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland] According to bunclodyns.scoilnet.ie/local_history/pages/mainst.htm "The water comes from the millrace which in turn is diverted from the River Clody. The water way is lined on each side with granite stone"
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] There were other earlier plaques and you can get replicas of them. There is another fellow on Flickr who has a lot photos of different brands of petrol stations in UK. Next time I am commenting on a photo of his i will ask about Pratt's
suckindeesel
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Good idea, it's not the first time we've seen a Pratt's sign in one of the photos. It means they were selling petrol for motor cars at that time, though none in photo. I wonder when we first started to see cars in Ireland? I thought the Ariel sign might have generated a date, with its mention of 'motors'. Edit, to answer my own question, I think they produced their first car in 1901.
O Mac
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] You linked an Eason catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000559372 and mentioned that the second shop Murphys had not yet been rebuild.. I thinks it has been. The name over the door is now Lancaster. George Lancaster is in the 1911 as Spirit Grocer Also the Guilbride name has been changed to Lawlor Bros. The Bray man who bought Guilbrides in 1907 that [https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner] mentioned. I think the earliest todays photo was taken was 1894 and latest 1907. Lancasters shop (ex Murphys) looks quiet shoddy in your Eason photo so it must have been taken way later .
oaktree_brian_1976
www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ Shh, no Covid in this photo. Let's pretend
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Good work there. When I mentioned Murphy's not being rebuilt (see note), I meant the third floor seen in streetview - blue BoyleSports building. Doesn't affect the dating. Btw there is another Eason with a 'trademark' Model T Ford (CI-52), which might imply c. 1915 for the Easons ... catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000559361
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think the Dog's name is Patch. Spot is halfway down the street, and Blackie is at the other end. They have taken over the town!
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ 3 DOGS, no chance of http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ ever selecting that photo! 🐕 🐕 🐕
O Mac
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ I thought you were referring to the Murphy facade having been rebuilt between 1907 and, say, 1915 when Lancaster was there. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ is right about http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ ever selecting a photo with three or more dogs. They just don't have it in them..
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia You were saying? https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8337619816 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5785465175 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/12098668645 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6399684361 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/49582225833 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6161910439
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I also found that Eason photo EAS3741 with car outside Lawlers Hotel CI 52. That car is registered to W P R Odlum St Mullin's Mills Kilkenny. If you look at EAS 3756 there is also a car in that on but rear number plate has been "photo shopped" Companion photo EAS3752 3Dogs along with EAS3756 shows Lancaster shop front (formally Murphy Bros and before that J Mc Crea in Lawrance Collection) remodeled with straight window sills. Gutter and white downpipe. Kavanagh have expanded next door to what was Brennen and also have remodeled frontage to match theirs. Interesting to see Pratts Motor spirit sign missing from cycle shop up the road when cars are clearly present. If you look through Eason and Lawrence you can see the changes of signs BSA Humber Aeril Eley Cartridges Pratt's You really have upset The Marys good job you live so far away. Otherwise they they may have unleashed them on you.
Through_Urizen
Wonderful shot
Harmo26
https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland The mill in question was Dormer & Sons built in the 1860s and obscured behind the trees in the background. (Though it may not have been visible from this viewpoint.) The derelict remains of the mill were destroyed in a fire about 40 years ago and the site is now occupied by a nursing home that was recently converted from a hotel built in 2004. The gate visible at the top of the street leads to St. Mary's Church of Ireland (1776), whose steeple can just be made out above the treeline.