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It's all hands on deck as the army with the help of dock workers lift an armoured car from the deck of a ship in Cork harbour to use in the ongoing Irish Civil War in the rebellious Munster.
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection
Date:1922(?) Circa 7th August 1922
NLI Ref.: HOGW 26
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Photographer: W. D. Hogan
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NLI Ref.: HOGW 26
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O Mac
This was taken at Passage West.. The ship is the TSS Arvonia previously TSS Cambria having been renamed in 1919 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSS_Cambria_(1897)
O Mac
We came on this armoured car before. Seen at Passage around the 7th August 1922. flic.kr/p/b8SQmD
Foxglove
it appears that there may be more "driving on planks" rather than lifting !
abandoned railways
The crane is a Taylor & Hubbard vertical boiler steam crane. Running on the rails.
abandoned railways
Óglaigh na hÉireann badge on the turret. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Defence_Forces_cap_badge
Foxglove
hi Fred, yes I see the crane cables. bit of a blind this morning !
John A. Coffey
Old piece of sellotape top right, one of the best and worst inventions of all time.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! In WW1 via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalmediamuseum/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nationalmediamuseum/3007981410/] I find it difficult to tell which is the front - hint - double wheels at the back! - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerless_armoured_car
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
There is supposed to be a restored Peerless in the Curragh Army Camp. Can't find it on Flickr, so here is a similar angle hi-res photo of one in the Bovington Tank Museum, UK, via https://www.flickr.com/photos/lookupinwonder/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/lookupinwonder/8096662806/
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove] Apparently too heavy for the crane, as noted in www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6652701421/ , so rolled off when the tide levelled the deck with the quay.
cargeofg
www.tankmuseum.org/year-news/bovnews38194 Six Tons. Note also extra number of spokes on Bovington exhibit compared to armoured car been unloaded [https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove]
Foxglove
once witnessed "how to get heifers out of an open fishing boat that at low tide was below the harbour level...." corkscrew their tails until they holler in pain and make the boat to harbour jump ... 🐂🐂🐂
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland Crossley light tender? Double rolled rib on the wing.
cargeofg
www.flickr.com/photos/boblovelockflickr/45040947842/in/po...
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/65379774@N02 I think I remember one of our conservators calling it the Devil’s Tape!
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 I was listing to the boss Dr Sandra on the radio this morning. Was away for a few hrs and get back to see all is nearly done. https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland Ticked all of the boxes I would have. Not to worry plenty more photos in the vaults of Library Towers for another day.
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06 AWOL, eh? You need to get up in the middle of the night to beat this lot, George. You can't blink, but they've got a whole history of something or someone written.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47297387@N03 Yes indeed you need to be up before your breakfast !
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
FISA! A fully restored 1915 Peerless lorry (sold for £42,550!!), on which these armoured cars were based (bodywork by Austin). Note the rear corner hooks. Via https://www.flickr.com/photos/rw3-497alh/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/rw3-497alh/14413706074/Front view next pic.
sam2cents
Amazing photo! Does anyone know if armoured cars fell under the heading of weapons/munitions or vehicles? Or were they completely separate to both?
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Here's a pic of the Curragh one, forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/attachment.php?s=95ffe5b319... , apparently it's a modern reproduction built on a Peerless truck chassis by the army apprentices as the only surviving example being the Bovington one. This site has many other photos of these cars in Ireland, including other shots of the unloading. forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/showthread.php?16450-D-AUL-...
suckindeesel
Solid rubber tyres?
silverio10
Buenas fotos antiguas .
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 Yes, and chain drive to the rear wheels, see the green one above. Boneshaker!
nlpnt
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerless_Motor_Company
O Mac
Irish Army's replica Peerless Armoured Car on the move... youtu.be/iMOLKNIeTHw
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
This talk about the Bovington one is priceless too - "The dear old Irish discovered that if you had a long metal rod and put it through the wooden wheels, you could break the spokes and disable the vehicle ... ..."!! youtu.be/Nuc4XARvw-Y
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Do you think there might have been a touch of sarcasm there, calling us the “dear old Irish”?
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] Those damned Irish, they never play by the rules. Explains the difference in the spokes. My father recalled a similar technique being used against the DMP, but with wooden poles. The miners used marbles scattered on the road to upset their mounted police atttackers. Sometimes it's the simple things that work best. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerless_armoured_car
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia If you did not break spokes, chain could break or come off sprocket. First princaple of marbles. Still applies to F1 cars today. All the worms of tyre rubber build up off the racing line. Car off the line goes onto the rubber marbles and exit at speed to gravel trap. If you Zoom in on Bovington photo you can also see the square U shackles on the spokes.
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/187095410@N06] Hard to see the purpose of the shackles, were they fitted to strengthen the wooden spokes? I suspect that the metal wheels were an 'Irish' mod following the experience of the BA in Ireland. The marbles underfoot would upset the horses. The largest chain drive, a duplex, that I've seen was used on a 160 HP Deutz shunter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIE_611_Class. Never broke or derailed. In fact the Peerless reminds me of a rail vehicle in many ways and is a surprisingly crude design for a company which made v8 luxury cars for the US market.
cargeofg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 If you look close on the shackle there is a hook on them. Only one wheel with two tyres fitted on exhibit so maybe used to clip on second wheel. Different but much the same way you would fit duals or a cage to extended studs on a tractor rim. Compared to their cars of the 30s and late 50s the armoured car is very utilitarian. But if it stops the bullets it is doing its job.
Dr. Ilia
Beautiful
tfjzhpri7
A Peerless coming off the Arvonia 8th August 1922 ?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/156778664@N04 I think you are correct about the Arvonia and Peerless, https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 suggests "around" the 7th August, I would love to hear why you go for the 8th? Mary