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When: 01 January 1875

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The archivist trying to describe this image provided an elaborate title "River, rocky bed, between wooded banks, weir seen from dumstream, mill wheel mill, outflow to left" I await an explanation for "Dumstream" and a virtual sticky bun for the best version!
The scene is wide and sylvan with an enormous mill building, probably a tidal river below the falls and a verdant river bank.
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Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: between ca. 1860-1883

NLI Ref: STP_0735

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    nl042

    • 03/Mar/2020 08:09:22

    Could "dumstream" be a semi-legible "downstream"? A search for a definition of the former turns up a blank online and I don't have time to fire up my OED on DVD at the moment.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Mar/2020 08:42:10

    Well, it's not Sheen River or Aasleagh, anyway, and I don't think it's Ennistimon. I've seen it in one of Mason's shots - I've a notion it's up round Lifford or Strabane.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Mar/2020 08:43:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Sorry Nigel, you will not taste the delights of our delicious virtual sticky buns so;-)

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    O Mac

    • 03/Mar/2020 09:54:27

    Looks like the Salmon Leap Mills on the Liffey at Leixlip.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Mar/2020 10:01:42

    Could be: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000326235 It's under 20 foot of water now, so it's a bit hard to be certain.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Mar/2020 10:11:34

    OSI 25" bit.ly/2x6Z33d There's a later photo down the page in this Leixlip History site. Apparently this was a flax and later a flock mill. www.kildare.ie/leixliphistory/archives/leixlip_around_1798/

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Mar/2020 10:33:40

    Dumstreamview - goo.gl/maps/itxi8mrW9ezX9tiy7

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    Foxglove

    • 03/Mar/2020 11:35:58

    is it at Bruree, Ireland's once largest mill. I was once planning to buy renovate it decades ago !!!

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    cargeofg

    • 03/Mar/2020 11:37:21

    I would go along with Nigel Leyland. The mill wheel looks to be of the undershot type. Normally you have a head race to supply water to the mill wheel and sometimes a tail race to return the water to the river. Also known as leats. These are more often seen on an overshot mill wheel than an undershot one. Under shot mill wheels though less efficient were cheaper to construct as you did not need the associated water delivery channels. . Further down the Liffy there is a millrace /head race at the Wren's Nest Weir that would have fed a mill at Palmerstown.

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    Foxglove

    • 03/Mar/2020 11:38:03

    on closer inspection and putting youthful dreams aside, it is not Bruree

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    O Mac

    • 03/Mar/2020 11:45:14

    This is an overshot wheel as the flume is clearly visible. edit"... hard to see clearly but it could also be a high breast wheel meaning buckets filling and falling back the ways.... ie wheel turning clockwise as we look at it.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Mar/2020 11:55:07

    Undershot / overshot wheel ... there be trouble at t' mill ! Leaping salmon ... there be bubble at t' mill ! Stereo pair photograph ... there be double at t' mill ! Thank you, and good night !

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    cargeofg

    • 03/Mar/2020 12:01:22

    I stand corrected (underwater)O Mac I was working off the centre of wheel to falls level. On closer inspection on another screen I can see flume and water spill from buckets. I took the structure over the wheel to be a balcony or platform to a side entrance to mill and to inspect wheel.

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    suckindeesel

    • 03/Mar/2020 13:24:49

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] It's a good match with the Salmon Leap, compare the stone arch on right in catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000326235 , which is just visible in our shot. Also, the weir is very similar, water flow on right, dry on left, revealing the same stone construction.

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    nl042

    • 03/Mar/2020 13:24:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia and wi' all o' t' rocks in t' water, there's rubble at t' mill.

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    suckindeesel

    • 03/Mar/2020 17:54:42

    And, of course, Leixlip is from the Old Norse "lax hlaup", meaning "salmon leap". It was furthest those pesky Vikings could navigate from dumstream.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Mar/2020 20:40:57

    The ESB raised the river level when the Leixlip hydro station dumstream was commissioned in 1949.

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    silverio10

    • 03/Mar/2020 23:00:47

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 04/Mar/2020 07:49:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Right, since https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] failed in his bid to win the virtual sticky bun and as you are the only other one to mention it you have to accept the award. It has to go today or it just becomes messy in the laptop!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 04/Mar/2020 08:49:18

    Salmon Leap Mills on the 25" OSI map is labelled Flock.

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    le cabri

    • 04/Mar/2020 17:53:47

    Really like this one.

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    Thea Prum

    • 05/Mar/2020 00:29:32

    Beautiful

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    cargeofg

    • 10/Apr/2020 09:59:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Just to confirm construction of breast shot wheel found this in NLI www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/46465956205/in/photolist-...

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    O Mac

    • 10/Apr/2020 11:18:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's a high breast wheel alright...

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    cargeofg

    • 10/Apr/2020 12:27:04

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It is big did you read comments https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley When I get a minute I will try to scale it off the men (say5'-10" ) Trough for water looks to iron plates as you can see rivets on Zoom.