The Vandeleur Evictions
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When: 01 August 1888
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Those among you Flickroonies who've been with us for a long time will be familiar the 1880s eviction photographs that we've posted over the years. They're mostly action shots of depredation and desperation. This one is rather different, with many of the dramatis personae pictured calmly sitting on the steps of Kilrush House.
p.s. Apologies for late posting! You just can't get the staff these days... ;)
Photographer: Robert French?
Date: August 1888
NLI Ref: NPA MOPR
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p.s. Apologies for late posting! You just can't get the staff these days... ;)
Photographer: Robert French?
Date: August 1888
NLI Ref: NPA MOPR
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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sharon.corbet
Clare Library has a lot of info on the evictions including here: The 15th of July was Sunday-and before the weekend large contingents of troops and police were already setting up camp around Kilrush House. There were 70 Sherwood Foresters, 50 3rd Hussars, 50 Royal Berkshires (who were located at Cappagh Barrack), and 120 R.I.C. The whole arrangements were in the hands of Colonel Turner. Also present were a number of magistrates – Captain Welsh, Mr. Hodder, Mr. Roche, Mr. Shannon. The sub-sheriff was Captain Croker. The evictions took place in July, so this photo must be from afterwards if it's from August 1888.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Kilrush House "accidently burned to the ground in 1897". Another photo of this portico via twitter- twitter.com/Cooplafocal/status/966739541385236480/photo/4
cargeofg
If you look in Clare Library to the report of The Wreck of The Edmond 1850 off Kilkee. It also is indicative of the poor construction of the mud cabins as also noted in 1848. Could not get it to link for me.
suckindeesel
Not to be confused with Kilrush House in Kilkenny, still standing, unlike this one. Evictions also took place during the Famine years, so they had form here. Some info landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.... on the estate (20,000 acres!) and the Vandeleur family
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Via Trove a report of the fire in 1897 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104404854 I have posted these contemporary reports before; they are worth reading for the names of some of the characters seen here, and mention of Kilrush House ... trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/115459777 trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/169707904 And interesting correspondence about re-instating the tenants in 1889 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/170505310
suckindeesel
Here's a picture of the Vandeleure Ram and our 'heroes' in action catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000044102
O Mac
The notes with this one are odd.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03 Yeah, I don't see Dev or Harry Boland either.
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06/49565843082 Cecil Roche R.M. from abave and from the following photo https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/23392381204/in/album-72157659547823814
suckindeesel
Yes, Roche as R. M., seems to have played a central role in the evictions. He would be sitting as judge, jury and executioner on the faith of those arrested for resisting eviction a month later, i. e., at the time of the group photo. See api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1888/jul/27/ev...
suckindeesel
These thugs were everywhere, it's not hard to find records of some of their other activities in supressing any dissent. 'To the Rt. Hon. The Speaker of the House of Commons. Sir, Mr. Timothy Harrington, M.P., was convicted at Tralee, before me and Col. Pearse, R.M., for publishing report of suppressed meetings of the National League. He was sentenced to six weeks' imprisonment, and, on application of his Counsel, a case was stated on a Law point for decision of the Exchequer Division. In the meantime he was admitted to bail. CECIL ROCHE, R.M. Millstreet.' See Hansard hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1888-02-09/debates/2a4f7bde...(Ireland)Act1887—ArrestOfMembers
WildBill#
What were “The Forester’s”?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/anesmercenary] This might help. irishgarrisontowns.com/military-rowdyism/ Military Rowdyism: the Derbyshire (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment in Limerick, 1888
suckindeesel
Hallam Studdert was agent for the Vandeleure Estate, the rent collector I suppose, and later a local J.P. www.thepeerage.com/p28290.htm#i282895
Clare4XRemvd
There is much misinformation about these evictions. Rather than contradict posted statements I will say that those interested in these particular evictions should try to locate the last two issues of The Other Clare. I have studied these evictions for years and have hunted down long forgotten photos. As I discover heretofore unpublished photos I present in context with an article in The Other Clare. I will ask if the Clare library can host my articles on the Ir website. Ed
Clare4XRemvd
The Clare library posted my first article ‘Photographing the evictions on the Vandeleur Estate’ years ago. It can be found by a goggle search. A second article was about the Vandeleur Eviction Party, inspired by the photo of the 20 officials on the steps of the kKilrush House, seen in this string. A third article, the ‘Vandeleur Ram’, was published in The Other Clare last year. A fourth article will appear in the same this summer, 2020. There are 40 known photos in existence, of which only 21-22 are with the NLI. More photos likely still but are hidden.
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/156889413@N08] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I've linked your excellent article here www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/photographing_e... It does call into question the true authorship of the Lawrence eviction photographs. Although Mr. French was Lawrence's main man, he also employed a pool of other photographers, making it difficult to assign any particular photo. The article does contain a good tip in identifying a true French picture as apparently he would often include his buggy and camera case in shot. Has anybody else noticed this? Perhaps that was his way of signing his work, something like a modern 'Easter Egg'
suckindeesel
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06] 'He looked at me with hateful eyes and waited for me to wither. But I didn’t wither. If I have a camera in my hand, I don’t know fear.' Alfred Eisenstaedt petapixel.com/2013/03/31/eyes-of-hate-captured-in-portrai...
Clare4XRemvd
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 No one has yet challenged the opinions I offer in my three articles featuring photographs of Vandeleur estate evictions. I have received kind comments from descendants and local historians.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/184711311@N04 "Easter Eggs" we think it may be the man himself in the third photo shown. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/33153445835/in/album-72157634996472994/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/33162985520/in/album-72157634996472994/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/32532046430/in/album-72157634996472994/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/31636807885/in/album-72157634996472994/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/25016430407/in/album-72157634996472994/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/156889413@N08 Ed, thanks for your comments.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
More information about Kilrush House - old maps, croquet, shooting party, coal supplies, etc - bricksandmortarkilrush.wordpress.com/2016/05/08/vandeleur... & bricksandmortarkilrush.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/buildings...
Clare4XRemvd
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The man with the top hat could be Robert French. It looks like him. An assistant was likely taking the photo, which is why we do not see a tripod in the car.
Clare4XRemvd
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland LTC Henry H. Hooke, Sherwood Foresters, mentioned in the garrison towns blog, is one of the men seated in the photo taken on the front steps of the Kilrush House. I have not yet identified him in any of the other eviction photos, but he must be there. My great grandfather commented on the behavior of the Foresters and the garrison commander’s attempt at discipline in his published account of his visit to Ireland in the summer of ‘88. He was one of the American witnesses to the Vandeleur estate evictions.
Dr. Ilia
Very nice !
domenico milella
Beauiful Shot and Album - Good Day.
Clare4XRemvd
Clare County library just posted my Vandeleur estate eviction articles #2 & 3 on their website. Google Clare County Library and look for What's New, top right, or History, found towards the bottom of the home page. The article on the photo displayed at the top of this string is titled Officials from the Vandeleur Estate Evictions. The article published this year is titled the Vandeleur Ram. As can be determined in article #3, many photos are still missing. I am interested in finding them.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/156889413@N08] Here are the links Officials from the Vandeleur Estate Evictions The Vandeleur Ram