Dog poses with nine people outside house!

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This lovely photograph from the Poole Collection shows a family, headed by a beautiful dog, standing outside a house somewhere. There is so much to see in this, not least the fact that there is no obesity here, these people walked wherever they went, worked around the farm and ate home cooked food! Who were they, where was this and what more can we find out?

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: ca. 19 October 1919

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2828

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    derangedlemur

    • 19/Feb/2020 08:58:40

    Location is probably more readily identifiable from the front: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000593352 Edit: It's not the same house, but Dog Man is there. Is he Mr Dempsey?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:00:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I don't think that is the same house - 'cos of the chimneys ...

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:03:25

    Commissioned by him, but not necessarily his house.

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    derangedlemur

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:03:48

    The aftermath of a funeral, maybe? The chap with the dog has a black armband.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:05:08

    19 October 1919 was a Sunday ... did they have funerals on Sundays?

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    DannyM8

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:14:20

    I Spot the Dog 🐕

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    s0340248

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:18:22

    ...(°_°)... gefällt mir gut !

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    derangedlemur

    • 19/Feb/2020 09:31:13

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Creation date based on date photographic order was placed; recorded in Index Book of the A. H. Poole Studio as: 19 October 1919. Could have been taken later than the 19th if it was booked in advance, or taken on the Saturday and recorded later. Equally, he could have been wearing that armband for a couple of years - it could be a relation killed in the war.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:13:08

    Father (with dog), mother (with book), four daughters, one son, one grandchild and one son-in-law? Just a guess...

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    RETRO STU

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:23:45

    The book the mother is holding must be important to her and the family. It seems to take pride of place in the photo.

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:25:51

    the little boy is still "in skirts". and the dog is almost a close-up portrait ! Dannym8 must be having extra biscuits this morning. the potted plants look like geraniums

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:32:34

    A quick look at the 1911 census for Waterford / Kilkenny for a Dempsey family matching the speculative description above turns up the family of Edward and Kate Dempsey (both aged 50) of Ballytarsna, Co Kilkenny - four daughters (14, 13, 9, 7) and one son (12). I've no idea how this might relate to the 'Mr Dempsey, Broad Street, Waterford' in the title, but anyway... Adding eight years to each (1911 to 1919) would make the parents 58, the daughters 22, 21, 17 and 15 and the son 20. It's possible that these are the people in the photo, but then there are multiple ways in which this conclusion could be wrong too... The photo does look like an enclosed farmyard like several in Ballytarsna, but Streetview doesn't help, as it doesn't show all the houses in the cluster of farm yards there... www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002607361/ www.google.ie/maps/@52.4215289,-7.1683447,3a,75y,80.83h,9...

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:44:08

    And Civil Records would suggest that the eldest daughter, Bridie, married a neighbour, John Hogan of Ballytarsna, in October 1914 and they had a son, Edmond, in May 1916 - could he be the boy who looks about three in the photo??

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Feb/2020 10:51:30

    It does look more rural than urban

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    Swordscookie

    • 19/Feb/2020 13:50:38

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ would they be doggie biscuits 😁😁😁

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    DannyM8

    • 19/Feb/2020 13:58:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ The two of ye are very funny indeed :-)

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 19/Feb/2020 14:11:45

    I don't suppose there are any Roofers in that household.

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    O Mac

    • 19/Feb/2020 14:27:30

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] You may well be right about the Ballytarsna Dempseys. A Miss Dempsey from Ballytarsna had Poole make her a carte de visite. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000696078 small place, big coincidence

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    Inverarra

    • 19/Feb/2020 14:57:54

    A wonderful photo and the dog had just had his ears cleaned by his/her proud master.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 19/Feb/2020 15:41:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Now that is interesting O Mac!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Feb/2020 16:40:14

    Do any of you ([https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/]) have access to Dog License registers on FindMyPast?

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    DannyM8

    • 19/Feb/2020 16:44:10

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ No, is there such a thing??

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    John Spooner

    • 19/Feb/2020 16:58:49

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I can access FindMyPast at my local library but it closes in 45 minutes and I haven't had my tea yet.

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Feb/2020 17:42:02

    my god there is a register of dogs ! in the above link .... big data collecting even before Google and Cambridge analytica !

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Feb/2020 21:01:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Here's the same family photo on Geni www.geni.com/people/Owen-Dempsey/4889039426560133930 See Stephen Dempsey, who also hailed from Ballytarsna, a draper/postmaster in Broad St. www.geni.com/people/Stephen-Dempsey/4889114198490071809 Edward died in 1916 at the home of his brother Stephen (Pyloric Obstruction, carcinoma, 2 months certified) The man with dog looks like an older version of his brother Stephen's photo on Geni, hence the mourning band. This would be the "Mr Dempsey of Broad St" Other people in group could also probably be identified from the Geni site, as it includes some portraits. However, I'm afraid that the dog's name is not recorded.

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    Foxglove

    • 19/Feb/2020 22:25:52

    I wish to name the dog .... CuDhanni

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 19/Feb/2020 23:05:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Great! That seems to confirm it, as the person who posted the photo on Geni appears to be related and identifies the location as the Dempsey home in Ballytarsna. Some of the details on that Geni site can't be correct though, as it can't be Owen Dempsey (1825-1889) in the photo - I'd say it's his grandson Owen Dempsey (b. 1/1/1899). I'd suggest the following, based on census records, civil records, the arrangement of the people in the photo, the info on the Geni site and your discovery that ED died in SD's house in 1916... (L to R): Stephen Dempsey of Broad St. Waterford (d. 14/12/1923) - his niece Catherine (b. 7/1/1904; d. 21/2/1999) - his sister-in-law Kate (or Catherine) (nee Sinnott or Synnott) (d. 24/8/1929) - his niece Ellen (b. 3/2/1898; d. 19/12/1975) - his nephew Owen (b. 1/1/1899; d. 1/12/1962) - his niece Statia (b. 11/7/1901; d. 20/2/1979) - his niece Bridget Hogan (nee Dempsey) (b. 11/2/1897; d. 28/7/1973) - his grandnephew Edmond Hogan (b.9/5/1916; d. 31/10/1990) - his nephew-in-law John Hogan (married BD on 15/10/1914; d. 1/3/1960) With regard to the mourning band, if this photo was taken in 1919 it would be odd if Stephen were wearing it in memory of his brother Edward who had died in 1916, even if he had travelled to visit his late brother's family. However, another brother of his, James, died in the USA on 18 July 1919 (according to the Geni site) - this might be the reason behind it.

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    O Mac

    • 19/Feb/2020 23:29:33

    Stephen Dempsey, Draper 41 and single in 1911 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Water...

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    suckindeesel

    • 19/Feb/2020 23:49:03

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Yes, likely mourning the more recent death. Forenames are often reused in families, there was an earlier Anastasia whom Stacia may have been named after. Didn't see the other photo commission on Geni, unfortunately.

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    John Spooner

    • 20/Feb/2020 10:14:08

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I got up early, oiled my chain, pumped up my tyres and set off for the library. 9 dog licences issued to Dempseys ( Patrick, Con and Stephen) in Cashel (I assume that's right for Ballytarsna). But oh! the disappointment! If I try to look at individual record I get:

    "Hampshire Libraries provides free access to a number of findmypast's historical records, but unfortunately this collection isn't included. "

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    John Spooner

    • 20/Feb/2020 10:33:32

    But while I'm here, I see that there was 1 dog licence issued to A H Poole of Waterford in 1891 and 3 in 1899.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 20/Feb/2020 11:29:24

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner I'd imagine that's the Tipperary Ballytarsna, not the Kilkenny Ballytarsna

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    John Spooner

    • 20/Feb/2020 11:42:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So my journey was doubly in vain.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 20/Feb/2020 17:08:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Perhaps it was, but very entertaining all the same, we will have to have a chat with our colleagues in Hampshire Libraries!!

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    John Spooner

    • 20/Feb/2020 17:25:12

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ They are busy at the moment deciding whether to close libraries and/or reduce opening hours.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/Feb/2020 20:33:26

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Barking up the wrong family tree! Dog-gone it!

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    Salty Windows

    • 21/Feb/2020 11:19:24

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] The armband could have been worn instead of a uniform. The Irish Citizen Army perhaps! Cant be sure the armband is black. Red looks very dark in a black and white photo.

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 21/Feb/2020 14:18:40

    If I may say so, the young lady with the flower in her hair is a beauty.

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    thelimbreaper

    • 27/Mar/2020 14:29:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Mr Dempsy shares my birthday.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Mar/2020 15:27:03

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/thelimbreaper delighted to hear it!

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    Karin Joy Passmore

    • 05/Apr/2020 19:52:02

    The Dempsey family in Berkshire County, Massachusetts are a very beautiful and strong family. Just saying...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Apr/2020 08:49:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/wildmore2011 Dempseys are always beautiful;-) Thank you for the visit. Hope all are well in Berkshire County, Mass.?