Woolloomooloo - from the "Hilton" residence in Darlinghurst

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Where: 262 Liverpool Street, Darlinghurst New South Wales 2010, Australia

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When: 01 January 1879

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View from the residence "Hilton" (278 Liverpool St, Darlinghurst) looking west across Woolloomooloo. Photograph possibly by John Rae [see comments below for more details]
Dated: 1879-82
Digital ID: 4481_a026_000464
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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/Aug/2010 11:27:46

    Between 1879-82 due to the Garden Palace. I think we are looking north, not west.but not yet sure what the building roof is. Perhaps Darlinghurst Gaol or Courthouse?

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    pellethepoet

    • 06/Aug/2010 14:12:23

    Well I suppose NNW could be said to be a fraction west ... :)

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    samdefranc

    • 07/Aug/2010 09:23:50

    Could this be looking down upon Forbes St? Using Google Earth, the perspective seems to fit,

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    pellethepoet

    • 07/Aug/2010 09:36:15

    I think you're right samdefranc. The building in the middle distance could be the heritage listed St. Peters Rectory.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 07/Aug/2010 22:23:41

    I am sure it is Forbes Street on the left - that terrace of houses and the Rectory are visible on Google Street view behind all the trees. The roof seems to belong to 270 Liverpool Street - possibly not this building but currently for sale - www.realcommercial.com.au/cgi-bin/rsearch?a=depi&t=co... . I wonder if there was previously a Government Building on that site ?

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    NSW State Archives and Records

    • 10/Aug/2010 23:51:52

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Thanks to you spotting the Garden Palace we've changed the date to 1879-82. Everyone, I've also replaced this with a larger version. Such a great view over the rooftop! AB

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    pellethepoet

    • 11/Aug/2010 11:31:36

    By jove I've done it! The photo was taken from 'Hilton', the residence of the amatuer artist and public servant John Rae. It's apparent where the photo was taken from - look at that turret room! [SLNSW: SPF/402, a089402] [SLNSW: SPF/995, a089995] [SLNSW: SPF/722, a089722] So, when can I move in?

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    pellethepoet

    • 11/Aug/2010 13:03:27

    278 Liverpool Street to be precise (@beachcomberaustralia - you were o so close!). It's still standing - hiding behind these trees. It's now the Robin Gibson Gallery.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 11/Aug/2010 13:10:18

    Whoopee! Well done pellethepoet! Great Work. I shall enjoy reading all about John Rae. On this 1858 map which helpfully supplies the house owner's names, "Rae" is apparent near the NE corner of Liverpool and (the yet-to-be-joined) Forbes Streets - www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nla.map-rm1272-sd&rgn=0... Now, I wonder if we can narrow the date a little . . .

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    NSW State Archives and Records

    • 11/Aug/2010 22:58:45

    You never cease to amaze us - that is some fine research work there. Well done! AB

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 12/Aug/2010 00:05:26

    The ADB ( adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A060001b.htm ) says - " Granted leave of absence on full pay to go overseas for twelve months from March 1879, Rae visited America and Europe ... " Which narrows the date from about March 1880 to 22 September 1882 (Garden Palace destroyed by fire). Close enough ?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 12/Aug/2010 01:04:14

    I see from John Rae's paintings and photographs (link above) that he was very keen on panoramas, and wonder if this image is one of a series in a panorama of Sydney from his house, along with the two right hand images above? That would explain the slightly odd composition.

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    pellethepoet

    • 12/Aug/2010 13:21:54

    Here's a better link that yields more in the series, but not quite a full panorama. acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/simpleSearch.aspx?authority=nam... I wonder if he took them (assuming he took them - he actually features in one of them) as an aid to his paintings?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/Aug/2010 12:09:09

    I think it is safe to say it is John Rae's work. Unless he invited another photographer to come up to his turret and see his etchings . . . I wonder if there are other photos of a panorama lurking undiscovered and unmarked in State Records NSW Archives. This is quite a find, imho.

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    NSW State Archives and Records

    • 17/Aug/2010 00:28:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia There could well be! I'll put "possibly by John Rae" above. AB

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    pellethepoet

    • 27/Aug/2010 17:57:13

    Rae's name has been misspelled "Ray" on this 1888 map :) www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview?pi=nla.map-raa31-s13-sd&rg...

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    maxdarn

    • 26/Dec/2010 22:57:25

    How are those sections of the photo tagged with pop-ups? what's the process?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Dec/2010 08:10:27

    @ maxdarn - select "Add a note" on the drop-down menu "Actions" above the photo.

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    pellethepoet

    • 27/Dec/2010 08:13:57

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Click the button 'Actions' at the top left of the photo page, then click 'Add a note'. Drag the box to where you want to place it, and enter any text in the green field, then 'Save'. If you need to edit or delete a note you have created, you just need to click on it.

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    pellethepoet

    • 27/Dec/2010 08:14:33

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Ha! You beat me to it - just! :)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Dec/2010 20:23:51

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet] Flickr is a fun-packed interactive learning experience! I was having another look at the panorama - it is an extraordinary glimpse of Sydney in c.1880 (open in new tabs) - acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=414457 this photo acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=414238 acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=413324 acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=413329 acms.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/itemLarge.aspx?itemID=413330

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/Jan/2011 21:40:00

    *THE PLOT THICKENS!* John Rae DID invite other photographers up to his attic - Charles Bayliss in 1879. I am not yet sure if this is a crop of the original photo above.

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    pellethepoet

    • 01/Feb/2011 13:00:08

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia What an astonishing find! It's not a crop of the same photo - note the horse and cart in the bottom left of the Bayliss photo - and the smoke coming out of the chimney at the right. I wonder if Bayliss or Rae kept journals that might allude to a play date?

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    John Hill family

    • 27/Feb/2011 06:31:41

    The land just behind John Rae's house is part of the W Long land grant. My interest is that my GGF John Hill, a miller and convict on the "Hadlow" (1818) bought the land in 1834 and established windmills and a brewery on the site. He sold the land in 1853. Whether any of the buildings he bulit are still in this photo, I am uncertain but I will check with a distant cousin of mine who has done a lot of research on the land in this area.

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    pellethepoet

    • 27/Feb/2011 09:20:47

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I must say this is one of the main reasons why I love identifying these images - once identified those with a particular interest can find images otherwise hidden from history. What do you think beachcomberaustralia? Close enough for the "Equivalents" gallery? View of Sydney from "Hilton", Darlinghurst (after 1854) by John Rae View of Sydney from "Hilton", Darlinghurst (after 1854) by John Rae

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Feb/2011 11:40:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/pellethepoet Publish and be damned ! - I think I can see OLD St Mary's Cathedral in both of them - ie pre-1865.

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    texan-in-australia

    • 02/Mar/2012 02:25:01

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hello John Hill Family. I have been doing quite a bit of personal history research on the Rosebank and William Long land grants in Darlinghurst. Call it a history mission in the making as I live on the old Rosebank Estate and own other properties in the old W Long Estate. My interest is to assemble as many photos, plans and stories I can find of the original inhabitants, as well as houses, buildings and windmills. I putting this together for the benefit of the entire neighbourhood and while fairly advanced, there are some definite gaps of knowledge. I am really intrigued by your ancestry to John Hill and comparing notes and photos. Hope we can exchange contact soon.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 01/Dec/2013 22:05:01

    Yet more ... I just came across this " [Panorama of Darlinghurst], c.1836 / watercolour by unknown artist " at the SLNSW. Left hand panel of three (original has six) seems to be from the same spot as this photo. I wonder if John Rae had something to do with it, maybe he was the artist? - www.acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/itemDetailPaged.cgi?i...

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    pellethepoet

    • 02/Dec/2013 05:41:09

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Too early for Rae (though granted it's circa)? He didn't arrive in Australia until 1839.

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    texan-in-australia

    • 12/Mar/2014 18:32:12

    If you need help, I have located one of the missing panels from this Panorama of Darlinghurst painting. The coloured image is featured in the exhibition booklet "Villas of Darlinghurst", purchased at the time of the exhibition at the Mitchell Library. Turn to Rose Hall and see if you agree that the artist's work is identical. I have also located the exact locations for the 3 windmills which occupied this hill until they were dismantled post ownership from John Hill. Refer to previous comments from the decendants of John Hill.

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    pellethepoet

    • 13/Mar/2014 09:34:53

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The panels aren't missing. As the catalogue entry above says they are at call number "V1A / Darh / 2" ( acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/search/itemDetailPaged.cgi?itemI... ). I see that most of the works that were displayed in the 2002 "Villas of Darlinghurst" exhibition have been digitized and can be viewed here - acmssearch.sl.nsw.gov.au/s/search.html?collection=slnsw&a.... Looks like it would have been an interesting exhibition. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [BTW the digitized image is the right hand panel, not left].

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    John Hill family Darlinghurst

    • 25/Aug/2014 11:58:47

    If you want to follow the John Hill family trail then go to John Hill family Darlinghurst for the start of photo collection to follow when time permits.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Jan/2015 12:00:33

    John Rae turns up in Glasgow! ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/uofglibrary/5930248742/in/set-72157626521061889

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    pellethepoet

    • 31/Jan/2015 13:40:33

    The Bonnie Scot himself!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 26/Nov/2020 07:28:11

    The view west-ish now on flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/statelibraryofnsw/50634473428/in/contacts/

6 years ago a contributor from Sydney, Australia suggested this image is from 1879

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6 years ago a contributor from Sydney, Australia suggested this image is from 1879

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6 years ago a contributor from Sydney, Australia suggested this image location is -33.8777, 151.219

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278 Liverpool St