Pioneering Teeth? Teeth for Pioneers?
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Where: Leinster, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1910
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Back in the very heart of Dublin today. We've been here before, but I just could not resist the siren call of all those beautiful signs...
Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Dublin Trams Collection
Date: Likely c.1900-1910(ish)
NLI Ref: NPA TRAM120
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Photographer: Unknown
Collection: Dublin Trams Collection
Date: Likely c.1900-1910(ish)
NLI Ref: NPA TRAM120
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Niall McAuley
Looking East along North Earl Street. 25" map Streetview.
Niall McAuley
Dates: After tram electrification, 1898 Before this was all destroyed in 1916. Reverse view of destruction
Niall McAuley
I note a swan necked light (these arrived with the tram electrification) which does not have the earliest globe with wire cage, suggesting nearer 1916 then 1900.
Domhnallcos
Ad from An Claidheamh Soluis, December 1910 for Pioneer Teeth. An Claidheamh Soluis: Iúil-Nollaig 1910 by Conradh na Gaeilge - issuu
John Spooner
Adverts for the Pioneer Teeth Institute appeared in the Dublin Evening Mail in July and August 1907. They were giving away absolutely free a few sets of teeth to the deserving poor.
sam2cents
And 10.10 am according to the clock, which really sets the scene. I love this photo. You can see it was definitely a moment from real life.
BeachcomberAustralia
Look what is centre frame now - www.beyondthelamppost.com/james-joyce-statue-dublin/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner What was the address for the Pioneering Teeth back in 1907, John? I'm just back from a rummage (technical term) in Thoms' Dublin Directories. The floors above Tyler's and Dartry Dye Works were known as Sackville Chambers. The Pioneer Teeth are there in 1910 as Domhnall found https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/48048264552/ but the Irish United Assurance Society don't appear in the Chambers until 1911.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
P.S. Tn 1910, according to Thoms, the Pioneering Teeth had offices alongside all manner of companies, but I loved these ones... T. Vincent Riordan, consul for Venezuela, and J. J. Sherlock, private investigator
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sam2cents Are you mixing up the big hand and the little hand? Or is https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ seeing everything upside down? :)
Niall McAuley
On that swan-necked light, L_ROY_08560 is after electrification, but with the original globe light. Some street signs also change. You can also see the size of the Tylers building, completely destroyed in 1916 as shown in the reverse view above. Between the two, the text on the clock on the South side changes from Downes to Winstanley
oaktree_brian_1976
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Sherlock, PI? hmmmm
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The address given is 1 Upper Sackville St.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Wow, so they had been there since 1907. That is the correct address for Sackville Chambers alright.
John Spooner
PS (a bit of a tangent) the offices of the Pioneer Teeth Institute at Woolwich crops up a lot in newspapers in October 1926. Two bodies were found in a gas-filled room in each others' arms - the manager Herbert Tyrell and Helen Keen, the 19-year-old who acted as his clerk. At the inquest his widow was said to be "sobbing bitterly". As I've only got access to the search results and a couple of lines of text for each newspaper article I'm tempted to visit my local library to get the full story.
BeachcomberAustralia
Trying unsuccessfully to find out what that inscription on this side of the Pillar says. I think it is "XV FEBRUARIUS MDCCCVIII" - 15 February 1808, when they laid the foundation stone ... This morsel from wikipedia might help with the dating of a lot of old photos of O'Connell Street - "... In 1894 there were some significant alterations to the Pillar's fabric. The original entry on the west [this] side, whereby visitors entered the pedestal by a flight of steps taking them down below street level, was replaced by a new ground level entrance on the south side, with a grand porch. The whole monument was surrounded by heavy iron railings. .." From - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson%27s_Pillar#1809%E2%80%931916 Also - archiseek.com/2015/1894-design-for-entrance-and-railings-... The heavy iron railings had gone by 1922 - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/44348770421/]
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Have finger poised over the Sudden Death Klaxon. :(
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Per wikipedia, down in the notes: The inscriptions on each side were as follows: "ST. VINCENT XIV FEBRUARY MDCCXCVII" (west); "THE NILE I AUGUST MDCCXCVIII" (north); "COPENHAGEN II APRIL MDCCCI" (east); "TRAFALGAR XXI OCTOBER MDCCCV" (south). These refer to the following battles and their dates: Battle of Cape St Vincent (14 February 1797); Battle of the Nile (1–3 August 1798); Battle of Copenhagen (2 April 1801); and Battle of Trafalgar (21 October 1805). We are seeing a bit of the Western inscription for the battle of St. Vincent, 1797
BeachcomberAustralia
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Whoopee! Thanks!
sam2cents
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland It depends on whether I'm looking east or west, but I think I probably mixed it up, which explains the shadows.
John Spooner
Dublin Evening Mail 20th August 1907
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland The findings of the inquest into the deaths of Herbert Turrell, 33, and Helen Keen, 19, did not do much for the reputation of the Pioneer Teeth Institute. Turrell, who had served as a sapper, had left the army in 1919 but then "gone to pieces" and turned to drink, and often spent long periods with his head in his hands. He was a dentist and managed the Woolwich branch, but he himself had bad teeth. He didn't want to show the state of his mouth to another dentist, so got the young girl Helen Keen, who worked as a clerk, to remove them all following his instructions (and according to Mrs Turrell made a bad job of it, surprise, surprise "All the bones were showing in his mouth"). It emerged from the evidence that they were having an affair, and were found "clasped together" under an overcoat with a gas pipe leading to it. A post mortem found that Keen was, in the words of the newspapers "in a certain condition". The verdict was "suicide while of unsound mind".
John Spooner
BTW J. J. Sherlock kept his investigations private - I couldn't find any references to his activities, unless he was the J. J. Sherlock who sailed his yacht at the Kingstown regatta.
Rhys Chris Pease
The Insurance claim for damage to the Dartry Dye Works Ltd premises at 2 Upper Sackville Street during the East Rising can be found online at centenaries.nationalarchives.ie/reels/plic/PLIC_1_3654.pdf Robert Benson was the Managing Director who submitted the claim. Robert lived in Orwell road , was a Quaker , 46 and married for 15 years and Born in England as was his wife Bessie.
Rhys Chris Pease
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