F-Adar: Bleriot Spad No. 46
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When: 01 January 1921
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Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Almost certainly later. Likely c.1921
NLI Ref: M24/60/12
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Collection: Mason Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Almost certainly later. Likely c.1921
NLI Ref: M24/60/12
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
"The Blériot-SPAD S.46 was a small French airliner of the 1920s, developed from the Blériot-SPAD S.33. Like its predecessor, it was a conventional biplane that seated four passengers in an enclosed cabin while the pilot and occasionally a fifth passenger rode in an open cockpit. The S.46 had a redesigned wing of longer span and a far more powerful engine. The type was employed by Franco-Roumaine, which purchased 38 out of the 40 examples produced for use on their continental European routes. ... ..." From - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot-SPAD_S.46
Niall McAuley
In the background I see a grandstand and white post rails. I think we are at a racecourse.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
" ... F-ADARBleriot-Spad 463070.01F-ESAX F-ADARBleriot Aeronautique /Buc >La Mission Bapt /Le Bourget00.00.21617Canc 8.24 [PB reported as ex F-ESAX c/n 01 Also reported as Spad 50] ... " From - www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-.html Somebody please translate!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thank you.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Flickr is sometimes amazing! Another S.46, F-AEBK via https://www.flickr.com/photos/skylarkair/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/skylarkair/19684418506
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Yikes! It was at Les Aisles on 17 November 1921 according to this version - commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bleriot_SPAD_S.46_Les_Ail... - which came from this newspaper - gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555947v/f98.double The plot thickens ...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Reg F-ADAR Type Bleriot-Spad 46 C/n 3070.01 History F-ESAX F-ADAR Owner Bleriot Aeronautique /Buc >La Mission Bapt /Le Bourget Cert of Registration 00.00.21617 Fate / Comments Canc 8.24 [PB reported as ex F-ESAX c/n 01 Also reported as Spad 50] From www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-.html There seems to be some issue or conversion with the additional F-ESAX registration??
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] From www.airhistory.org.uk/gy/reg_F-1.html F-AEBK was owned by Cie Franco-Roumaine /Le Bourget >CIDNA /Le Bourget and was destroyed in 6.28
Niall McAuley
The register records F-ESAX as a Spad 50. Wikipedia (in the S.33 article) notes the S.50 as a variant: Luxury version with passenger cabin enlarged to six seats, fitted with a 300 hp (220 kW) Hispano-Suiza 8Fb engine. Three were converted from S.33s, plus two all-new aircraft. The F-ESAX record is listed as 1924, so we are before that year.
Carol Maddock
Squinting like mad at the writing on the side, above 660 Kg. Is it something Wife? Wile? Initial impression was Sausage, but not enough letters! Savage? Hopefully not Savage Wife. Though Sausage Wife wouldn't have been great either.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Apologies - "Les Ailes" above is not the location, but the name of the newspaper. The blurb (bottom right of page) says something like - "The berline Spad 46 (with motor Lorraine 370 HP) has just completed the voyage from Paris to Constantinople piloted by Monsieur the Captain Duellin with stops at Strasbourg, Prague, Vienna, Budapest and Bucharest." The whole newspaper page seems to be a report on an air show. This photo is therefore before the 17/11/1921 publication date. It's complicated! gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k6555947v/f98.item.zoom
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
A slight Red Herring - detailed description of the extremely spartan interior of the earlier S.33 (which the S.46 was developed from) - www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1921/1921%20-%20046...
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Close relative F-ADAG postcard at Le Bourget airport (yours for US $13.06) - www.ebay.com/itm/AVIATION-N-262-LE-BOURGET-AERODROME-CIVI...
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Sausage Wife would be good, but I don't think so. I was imagining Charge Max for Max Load, but it doesn't fit well.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] it might be in French.
oaktree_brian_1976
1920s airliner. SPAD made fighter planes in WW1. "Société pour l'aviation et ses dérivés", Society for aviation and its derivatives
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Is the second word Vide for Empty? EDIT - Forget this see my next comment
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I think it is Charge Utile for Payload 860Kg From wikivisually.com/wiki/Bl%C3%A9riot-SPAD_S.46#Specifications_(S.46) we see - Empty weight: 1,417 kg (3,124 lb) Gross weight: 2,270 kg (5,004 lb) Difference is 853 Kg (Circa 860)? Comments welcome.
oaktree_brian_1976
The BNF article seems to be of a display aircraft at Le Bourget, that big French airshow. The specs say the plane with fuel weighs 2000 kg, the fuel is 320 kg and it can carry 580 kg of cargo, with the 275hp engine. I suppose with an upgraded motor it could be 660kg. They mention a Rolls Royce engine as an option, so either 350 or 375 hp.
silverio10
Buena serie de fotos antiguas .
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Payload / Charge Utile makes sense, thanks, but 'twill ever be Sausage Wife to me.
oaktree_brian_1976
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 600 kg sausage wife.
Carol Maddock
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That could be a thing.
Dr. Ilia
Awesome!!!!!!!!!