The demon drink met its match

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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1880

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The Apostle of Temperance is commemorated in his native Cork and throughout Ireland for his campaign to reduce the misery caused by the 'demon drink'. I.E. alcohol. Not a bad reminder for those who may have overindulged during the season that has just passed and to encourage the choice of a suitable new years resolution? :)

On a more serious note, this lovely Eblana shot with the statue and the lines would appear to be a draft copy and the markings were intended for a cropping or enlargement process.

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Photographers: Unknown

Collection: Eblana Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1870-1890. Likely c.1876-1881 (as per guliolopez's notes on visible businesses)

NLI Ref: EB_1256

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 02/Jan/2019 09:36:05

    Father Theobald Mathew (1790 - 1856) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Mathew Statue 1864 - www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/stpatricksstreet/selecte... There were four gas lamps later - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040388 And later still, tram poles and wires - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320282

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    abandoned railways

    • 02/Jan/2019 10:40:11

    this picture is before 1892, when the first horse tram ran.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 02/Jan/2019 11:36:24

    Via Trove, this 1864 description - "The greatest event of the month [October 1864], however, has been the inauguration of Father Mathew's statue at Cork, which took place upon the 10th instant, amidst the most gratifying demonstration from all parties. The chisel of the illustrious [John] Hogan has given to us the placid face and the majestic form of the great Apostle, giving us a vivid idea of that inward power which enabled him to sway countless multitudes and subjugate them to his will. The priest, the father, the friend is gone but his spirit still dwells among us, visible in the improved habits not only of our own people but of all civilized nations who now happily look upon drunkenness as a vice and esteem temperance a virtue. ... " From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/128801663?searchTerm=%... Flickr is sometimes amazing! An 1889 engraving of the inauguration, via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljim46/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljim46/33122696685/]

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 02/Jan/2019 11:48:07

    There is an earlier stereo pair without the ankle-biter bollards or "The New York House" at No. 12. Might help with dating - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000564283

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    CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY

    • 02/Jan/2019 12:16:56

    Noticing that gas lamps, along the street that narrow it to before 1927. esbarchives.ie/2017/09/18/connecting-cork-to-the-national... So, were there tax collection records in Cork or Census, back between 1864 to 1930? Could identify one or two business and then cross-check tax and census records. Furneral notices for business owners along the street would also narrow it down, because it is likely the business did not extend much beyond passing. Clothing, certain hats worn, during a particular span opf time would also help. Further . . . This reference states there were electric trams with overhead powerlines in Cork, from 1901. And, I assume they were horse drawn from December 1898. www.askaboutireland.ie/learning-zone/primary-students/loo... www.askaboutireland.ie/aai-files/assets/libraries/an-chom... Wiki cites 22 December 1898 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Patrick_Stree... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3d/Patrick_Stree... upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/A_street_scen... (Fergus O'Connor, Photographer) So, which is correct ESB reference or askaboutireland reference for primary schools? I would question the dating of the reference here: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320282 Nobody in uniform, street is quite busy, so good economic times. So, assume sometime between 1864 and 1898.

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    John A. Coffey

    • 02/Jan/2019 13:07:23

    The Boys of Fairhill. The smell on Patrick's Bridge is wicked How does Father Matthew stick it? Here's up them all says the boys of Fairhill

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    Foxglove

    • 02/Jan/2019 16:23:37

    his hand is poised to pick up a pint glass, or maybe he has put his last one down !

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 02/Jan/2019 19:43:14

    Thank you so much for sharing!!! Happy New Year Blessings with hugs my Irish friends from Texas!!!

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Jan/2019 00:38:10

    Late to the (Cork) party as usual. Everything we see here matches largely the 1884 Guy's Directory (page 162 for Patrick St). On the left-hand side of the street this includes: • #8 - Murphy fruiters • #8 - Murphy stationers • #9 - Lambkin tobacco • #10 - Banks grocers • #11 - Evans books • #12 - Sullivan tobacco • #13 - Sullivan vintner • OTH - (Not discernible but Cash's etc) • #22 - Thompson hosier • OTH - (Behind statue) • #24 - Hartland seeds (plantsman) • #25 - Harvey baker (fancy) • #26 - McHugh millner • #27/28 - "Crystal Palace" On the right-hand side we have: • #117 - Atkins pianos • #116 - Coghlan silk • #115 - Ross furniture • #114 - Ryan chandler • #113 - (Behind mark = Dowdens) • #112 - Cox pianos • OTH - (Not discernible in photo) While not definitive, I'd say that, whatever the range for this, likely 1884 is in the ballpark.

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Jan/2019 00:56:46

    In terms of the upper-end of the range, the biggest clue for me is A(braham) Harty's bakers at #118. While he does appear in the 1881 Slaters and 1883 Guys directories, he is conspicuous by his absense from the 1884 directory (above). Which "jumps" from #117 to #119 with a "blank" for #118. By the time of the 1886 Guys directory, #118 was occupied by O'Flynn's seed warehouse. This to me suggests that 1886 is at the upper end of our range. (As, presumably, if this was after 1886, we would see O'Flynn's signage at #118). In terms of the lower-end of the range, an indicator is perhaps the occupiers of #8. In the photo we see "Murphy". Which matches up to either Murphy's fruiters or Murphy's stationers from the 1884 directory. However, in the 1875/1876 Guys entry there are NO Murphy's at #8. Instead we have Carey (vintner) and Seymour (confectioner). This to me suggests that 1876 is at the lower end of our range. (As, presumably, if this were 1876 or prior, we would see Carey or Seymour signage at #8). So, almost certainly 1876 to 1886.

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Jan/2019 01:35:10

    Looking again at the signage for #114 in the photo, I think it is a more plausible match for "Finn" (who is listed as the chandler here in the 1876 Guys Directory), than for it is for "Ryan" (who is listed as the chandler here by the time of the 1881 Slaters Directory (p108). So I'm now considering 1876 (before which date there were no Murphy's at #8) to 1881 (by which date Finn's had left #114).

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Jan/2019 02:00:06

    FYI https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland, not to quibble, but Father Mathew wasn't native to Cork :) He was a Tipperary man. Who was educated in Kilkenny, Maynooth and Dublin. He didn't move to Cork until well into his 20s. He is absolutely "commemorated" here. But isn't, strictly, a "native" :)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 03/Jan/2019 02:15:14

    anti-drink? Oh Father.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jan/2019 07:51:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Even after 200 years then he remains a "blow in"? :)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jan/2019 09:51:36

    I was just about to fire up Guys, but I get to read https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 's thorough work instead. Well done!

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    Carrignafoy

    • 31/Jan/2019 15:01:42

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/abandonedrailsireland Cork's horse trams ran from from 1872-1875. Electric Trams ran 1898-1931. Source "Tram Tracks Through Cork" by Walter McGrath (1981), Tower Books.

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    Then HD

    • 12/Apr/2021 20:03:25

    Bringing this wonderful picture back to life. Father Mathew Statue, Patrick St. Cork c.1880 See a 3D animated version on my YouTube channel: www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhQP6sZsRkA

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 12/Apr/2021 21:24:39

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] 👍 Thumbs up !