Lord Carberry's Moraine at Bray

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Where: Dublin, Ireland

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When: 18 July 1914

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After the excellent detective work yesterday, we are happy to present another early aircraft for your perusal. Indeed we will keep with a "transportation" theme right up to the end of the week!

Between them, Niall McAuley, BeachcomberAustralia, and Carol Maddock were quick to pin-point the three main unknowns here (subject/place/date). The subject it is almost certain that this is the Morane-Saulnier H of John Evans Carbery, 10th Lord Carbery. And probably the man himself. The place is the Woodbrook Estate near Bray. And the date is 18 July 1914 - when a display of aerial acrobatics was put on by Carbery. That is only a fraction of the story however. As "looping the loop" over the lawn of a friend's house is probably the LEAST interesting thing the man seems to have done...

Collection: Mason Photographic Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Likely 18 July 1914

NLI Ref: M24/60/9

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    Marcin W Photography

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:24:17

    Bring your luggage and turn propeller yourself. Class picture!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:25:12

    John Evans Evans-Freke, perhaps. From that link to thepeerage.com: He gained the rank of Temporary Flying Sub-Lieutenant in the Royal Naval Air Service.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:27:29

    And that looks like a Moraine-Saulnier H type Monoplane Moraine-Saulnier_H-type_Monoplane_LSide_FOF_24Aug09

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:34:16

    A shot at Alamy stock photos carries the text: The Aerial Derby: Lord Carbery with his Morane-Saulnier monoplane, 1914 (1934). John Evans-Freke, 10th Baron Carbery (1892-1970) at the Aerial Derby, an air race sponsored by the Daily Mail in which the competitors flew a circuit around London. It was first held in 1912, with subsequent races in 1913 and 1914. It resumed in 1919 after the First World War, but the last edition was held in 1923. From History of British Aviation 1908-1914, Volume II, by R. Dallas Brett [The Aviation Book Club, London, 1934]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:44:28

    Here he is in the 1901 census aged 8, recorded as simply John Carbery, at home in Castle Freke.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 07:58:47

    His second wife, Maia Ivy Anderson, was killed in a flying accident in 1928 in Kenya, per thepeerage again.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:09:40

    Yikes! This Lord Carbery was quite a character - interesting stuff here - www.irishtimes.com/opinion/an-irishman-s-diary-1.232307

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:19:21

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Yikes indeed!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:23:11

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Do you know anything about that peculiar typeface / font of the plane's markings? I've never seen a "2" like that - or is it a "9" ?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:27:06

    I think this might have been taken on Saturday, 18 July 1914! Back shortly...

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:27:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Very fancy French 2??

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Mar/2019 09:38:24

    Yes, Saturday, 18 July 1914!

    LORD CARBERY'S EXHIBITION THRILLING FLIGHTS AT BRAY On Saturday 18 July, at Mr Stanley Cochrane's beautiful grounds, "Woodbrook", Bray, Lord Carbery gave a series of illustrations of the wonderful art of aviation, of which he is such a master, including thrilling displays of "looping the loop". There was an enormous attendance, and the appearance of the daring young aviator was greeted with loud applause. He was attired simply in a light grey tweed suit and cap, and did not wear goggles or any other of the customary weird habiliments associated with flying men. The first flight was made on a Morane-Soulnier machine, when a height of about three thousand feet was attained, and three times the thrilling looping of the loop took place...
    (Freeman's Journal, 20 July 1914) And from the Irish Independent, also on 20 July 1914...
    Regarding his recent adventure in the London to Paris race, when he descended in the English Channel, Lord Carbery said he did not even get wet, and when picked up he was sitting on the top of his machine.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Mar/2019 10:00:12

    Here is Woodbrook on the 25" map

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    abandoned railways

    • 06/Mar/2019 11:45:22

    It had to be in Cork Great, boy.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 06/Mar/2019 12:11:53

    The wing ribs almost look closer to a G than an H. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_G but I'm no expert. Gs were built a bit earlier, closer to the date range given.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Mar/2019 21:23:13

    Thanks all! That little biographical snapshot of the man certainly makes for interesting reading :) I had to link it from updated description :)