This beautiful shot of Sir John Gray's monument and a pristine Sackville Street, (O'Connell Street) taken in the early morning, The street is clear apart from some hackneys waiting for fares with Nelsons Pillar standing proud and the GPO in all its grandeur unaware of the devastation to come!
Apart from connecting
the statue, its subject and its inscription to our recent Vartry Works photos, the main learnings here were from
Niall McAuley. On date. Niall has whittled down the 50 year catalogue range - to perhaps just a decade or so (1880-1890 - give or take a year or so). On the basis of the statue itself.....
Photographer:
Robert French
Collection:
Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Definitely after 1879 (statue). Before 1892 (railings gone). So c.1880-1890
NLI Ref:
L_CAB_01721
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at
catalogue.nli.ie
Info:
Owner:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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The monument was erected in 1879. www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&...
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The monument was unveiled on 24 June 1879, according to this Trove article - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/170498782 Ed. - at three o'clock according to this better description - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/110561453
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Sir Thomas Farrell, sculptor - www.libraryireland.com/irishartists/sir-thomas-farrell.php
Oretani Wildlife (Mike Grimes)
Tis a different street today... goo.gl/maps/8oY14QWQ7Xy
Niall McAuley
No sign of electric trams yet, so definitely before 1896. ...or perhaps not: the first electrics reaching Nelson Pillar from Clontarf on 19th March 1898.
abandoned railways
It is busier, but the camara of that period did not reflect movement.
Niall McAuley
Jacob Tweedell was at #39 in 1879 and 1882.
Niall McAuley
Adolph Lesage was next door in 1862.
Niall McAuley
And as late as 1880 per this page.
Niall McAuley
Gray was previously mentioned as responsible for these waterworks:
domenico milella
Congratulation for your beautiful Album
Niall McAuley
The NIAH says that Originally the sculpture was surrounded by cast-iron railings but does not say how long they lasted.
Niall McAuley
The railings are gone by 1892, latest date for this one, replaced by 4 lamp posts:
Niall McAuley
Lamps no railings in the Gun Powder Office image, but we only have a c.1890 on that one:
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Flick is sometimes shite! In 2017 via https://www.flickr.com/photos/angelfigueiras/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/angelfigueiras/37837657316/
brawny action
Sorry?
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/angelfigueiras No, we love your photo!
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There is also a stereo pair taken a couple of steps to the left at the same time (see the wet patches left by a water-cart). Might provide a few more clues ... catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565586
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia There's a Prince of Wales Hotel in that one. Maybe https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley can dig up a date for it. There's also an Appleyard, purveyor of illegible mysteries in number 36.
derangedlemur
Appleyard was there in 1862, apparently. Selling socks from Balbriggan and other such delights of the orient.
Niall McAuley
On the Prince of Wales, Archiseek says: The Hotel Metropole was a landmark in Dublin, located next to the General Post Office building in O’Connell Street. Originally four Georgian buildings combined together to form a hotel and known as the Prince of Wales, the building received various architectural embellishments to visually tie them together. Remodeled internally and externally by William M. Mitchell in 1891-93.
Niall McAuley
The DIA says it got a "cement front" in 1860, which is what we are seeing here, I think. The Metropole entry suggests it was renamed near the 1891-2 date: 1891-93 Nature: Remodelling of former Prince of Wales Hotel So no help - our range is still 1879 (statue) to 1892 (railings gone).
Niall McAuley
So close! This archived Chancellor shot is dated precisely to July 1888, but the quality is not good enough to tell if the railings are there.
Niall McAuley
In the STP with the prince of Wales above, we see #35 is S. COWEN. In 1862, #35 was William Robertson, bookseller. I think (squinting) that S. COWEN is also a bookseller.
Niall McAuley
By 1901, there is only one S. Cowen that looks even possible, Samuel Cowen, Commercial Traveller, 63.
Niall McAuley
The Irish Times Archive gets hits for "Cowen Bookseller Sackville" from 1875 to January 1880, but not later.
Niall McAuley
In 1875 the hits are for Cowen & Thomson, 1879 are for S Cowen. "Thomson Bookseller sackville" gets hits up to 1877. I think we are in 1877-80. Add in the statue, and we are after June 24th 1879 and before 1881.
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Does anyone know anything about that peculiar "1818" weathervane on top of the GPO ? It shows up in early engravings, but not in later photos, even before the 1916 Easter Rising. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Post_Office,_Dublin#Images
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia The GPO Opened 6 Jan 1818
irishlad031_vintage
youtu.be/5P50PHCHuwo
abandoned railways
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia On 6 January 1818, the new post-office in Sackville Street (now O'Connell Street) was opened for business
guliolopez
Tweedall. Lamprey. Lesage. The names on the business in the left read-ground. Not exactly common Dublin names. Certainly not any more. If you Google them all together the ONLY results come from archive copies of the Freeman's Journal. From the 1850s and 1860s. Which, at that time, was owned by John Gray! Spoooookkyyy. (OK. Not spooky. But at least a mildly interesting coincidence.)
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/20727502@N00 Spooky enough for me - though it's a bit of a Gray area...
Dr. Ilia
brilliant!
photopol
Does it look like the tramway is under construction. If so it's 1879. From Wiki: The Dublin Central Tramways Company (DCT), formed 1878, with authority to build ... a line commencing 22 June 1879, from Nelson's Pillar to Terenure via Harold's Cross