Where: Dublin, Ireland
Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
When: 01 January 1915
Try to find the date or year when this image was made.
We have an interesting photo from the Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection, I selected the photo just because I had never heard of Joseph McGuiness. I have resisted the urge to research anything about him as I like to see the history unfold as I read your comments during the day. I am of course presuming there is a story to be told about Mr McGuiness?
While some of today's class were distracted by extra-credit extra-curriculars ( :) ), we did get confirmation that this is indeed Joseph McGuinness (1875-1922). A member of the Irish Volunteers and participant in the Easter Rising, he would later become a TD in the first Dáil. A pro-treaty ally of Collins, he died in 1922 - and we were reminded that we'd shared an image of his funeral before. This image dates to his time in the Volunteers. And, based on the "photoshopping" of shoulders in the foreground, was clearly "extracted" from a group photo. Quite probably tthis 1915 group shot of the O'Donovan Rossa funeral committee...
Photographers: Keogh Brothers
Collection: Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1914-1922. Probably 1915
NLI Ref: NPA POLF119
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
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While some of today's class were distracted by extra-credit extra-curriculars ( :) ), we did get confirmation that this is indeed Joseph McGuinness (1875-1922). A member of the Irish Volunteers and participant in the Easter Rising, he would later become a TD in the first Dáil. A pro-treaty ally of Collins, he died in 1922 - and we were reminded that we'd shared an image of his funeral before. This image dates to his time in the Volunteers. And, based on the "photoshopping" of shoulders in the foreground, was clearly "extracted" from a group photo. Quite probably tthis 1915 group shot of the O'Donovan Rossa funeral committee...
Photographers: Keogh Brothers
Collection: Irish Political Figures Photographic Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1914-1922. Probably 1915
NLI Ref: NPA POLF119
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Carol Maddock
Morning All! Apologies to the Three Marys. I'm being very bold, and sticking my oar in here - but this is only for when you've all finished your eccer on Joseph McGuinness... Our Director here at Library Towers, Sandra Collins, got a request for assistance from Switzerland to help the ETH-Bibliothek. (It's the largest public science and technology library in Switzerland and the main library of ETH Zurich.) They need help to identify locations of photos taken by one Björn Eric Lindroos in 1958. Björn was a keen fisherman, so obviously, he came to fish in Ireland. If any of you recognise the locations of these photos, then just fire your comments in here, and we'll pass them along! (There are good car shots too, for the non-piscine among you) Maybe just say which photo you're identifying using their DOI number (under each photo) so we don't end up confusing them? Or me! blogs.ethz.ch/crowdsourcing/2017/11/20/zum-fischen-nach-i...
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] - Ooo! Es gibt ein Austin Cambridge ! } At his funeral in Glasnevin ... https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5792417757/
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And middle of the third row here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/20952990311/
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Sometimes Flickr is amazing - with some dates, ie 'earlier than' https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/14300721619/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] This Mary sees, Ashford Castle 856200 and 856199 and Ballinahinch Castle 856233 and 856234
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Lets stick to the Irish or English languages only please!!!!
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Tá brón orm, Mary
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Leagfaidh mé leithscéal duit an uair seo.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Someone please explain! - the image seems to be heavily doctored from these - there was a person in front and behind... catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000029752 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000029753
Frank_C
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] 856233 and 234 are Ballynahinch Castle www.ballynahinch-castle.com/ which ties in with the fishing aspect
Bernard Healy
Com_L07-0119-0003-0005 should yield an identification before too long. LI numberplate is Westmeath - suggesting a midlands location. Distinctive doorway on the right. Gleesons on a business sign. I’m struggling to read the name of the shop that sells Agas. Might it be ?? Stevensons Ltd???
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Wieso das denn? Schweizerdeutsch ist nicht wesentlich weniger verstaendlich als diese komische kauderwelsch die mann Irisch nennt.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Mullingar, I'd've thunk. It has lots of those roman arched doorways. Let's see what streetview says.
Carol Maddock
Thank you https://www.flickr.com/photos/frankc_ie and https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy and https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]!
derangedlemur
Not seeing it in The 'Gar. Maybe Athlone, which is not dissimilar architecturally.
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy I don't think it's Stevensons, btw - I think it's Somethingster and Sons.
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think maybe the shop window might be that of a Westmeath Firm called P. Lyster and Sons. It's based somewhere in Co. Westmeath, but I'm not turining up a town.
Bernard Healy
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Might we be in Athlone? www.westmeathindependent.ie/news/roundup/articles/2009/10... 100 Years Ago Military help save the day as fire threatens British army soldiers from the local barracks helped to put out a fire that threatened famous Athlone firm Lysters, the Westmeath Independent reported in late October 1909. The fire broke out on Saturday morning, October 23rd and while staff of the Athlone Gas Works, who appeared to double as the local fire service, were first on the scene, they required the assistance of the military fire brigade. The Westmeath Independent reported the fire had broken out in a workshop and offices owned by Messrs P Lyster and Sons, on land enclosed between King St, Queen St, Bastion St and O'Connell St. Although the workshop (a substantial two storey building) and offices were gutted, matters turned out relatively benign as any spread of the fire "would have threatened the destruction of a valuable and extensive property and the whole congested area". Over 60 soldiers manned two military fire engines to put out the fire.
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ 90% sure we’re in what was once King Street in Athlone. Will follow with evidence soon.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] I seem to see a matching streetview on Pearse St, but Flickr won't let me post it. Streetview?
Niall McAuley
Pearse Street, Athlone, I think. [Edit] www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Yes, formerly King Street. Streetview. The building at right with a single window and arched door survives. The roofline at the top of the hill on O'Connell/Connacht Street is still there, too.
Bernard Healy
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] Yup! Streetview shows that many of the architectural features that gave charm to the street are now gone. Com_L07-0119-0003-0005 is on Pearse Street, Athlone. It's really the view of the junction with O'Connell Street in the distance that clinches it. FWIW, this is how I tracked it down. The car registration number gave me Westmeath, suggesting we're in the midlands. The only visible business names are Gleeson and the semi-legible shop sign on the left. Derangedlemur's suggestion of Mullingar and Athlone was a big help. The fact that the shop-sign gave us a partial name of a Limited Company was a big help. A bit of googling with the letters I could make out & 'Westmeath' eventually led me to the existence of a company called 'P Lyster and Sons Limited based somewhere in Westmeath. A little more googling turned up the newspaper article I linked to above describing a fire at Lyster's of Athlone. The 1911 Census showed me a Lyster family (timber merchant) and a Gleeson family living a few doors from each other on 'King Street'. But there's no King Street in Athlone now. A glance at the 1961 Thom's Directory showed P Lyster & Sons Ltd Hardware Merchants on Pearse Street. The OSI website confirmed that Pearse Street was formerly King Street. And then Google Streetview gives us confirmation of the general streetscape.
Bernard Healy
Re: Lyster's of Athlone, the May 29th 1962 Edition of the Irish Times has a 2-page spread celebrating Lyster's bicentenery! The firm traced its origin back to a Patrick Lyster who established a saddler's and general store on King Street in the mid-18th century! The firm seems to drop out of the newspapers about 1980, and in 1985 there is notice of a liquidation sale.
Niall McAuley
The entire sequence of pics is at ba.e-pics.ethz.ch/#1511270960381_45 As well as the shots ID'd (or not) above, towards the start of the set I see Kylemore Abbey and the Shelbourne Hotel on Stephen's Green.
DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I would think 856196 is almost certainly the Killary Fjord? [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6819872621] The above is from www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected], she will know for sure
oaktree_brian_1976
Joseph McGuiness was a Sinn Fein candidate, incarcerated in England for his role in the Uprising. books.google.ca/books?id=wo6MDAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA123&o... His slogan was "Put him in to get him out" He won by 37 votes, amid charges a Volunteer placed a revolver to the head of the returning officer... books.google.ca/books?id=RTfbBQAAQBAJ&lpg=PA52&ot...
oaktree_brian_1976
here's his bio from the Oirechtas (? pardon my spelling) www.oireachtas.ie/members-hist/default.asp?housetype=0&am...
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy Well done! I drove streetview up that street and didn't recognise it at all.
Nydialy
From the sign on the right, I would say 856204 is Caltra, co Galway. If someone could confirm... edit My bad, I forgot that in Ireland the sign would be on the other side of the road.
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I would bet 856224 and 856219 are on the river at Ballinahinch, and that 856201 is on the Cong river in the grounds of Ashford Castle. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/13989505573 and Cong below https://www.flickr.com/photos/mlukesh/14567056757 PS - Ballinahinch would still have records of the catches over the years.
sam2cents
Very interesting, as always.
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy That deserves an Auszeichnung!
Niall McAuley
doi.org/10.3932/ethz-a-000856195 is Kylemore Abbey doi.org/10.3932/ethz-a-000856208 is the Shelbourne [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nydialy] I think the CALT... sign is advertising CALTEX, a brand of fuel from back in the day.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] doi.org/10.3932/ethz-a-000856206 looks like Stephen's Green too.
Carol Maddock
Again, thanks a million to https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/nydialy https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy and https://www.flickr.com/photos/frankc_ie! Beginning to sound like an Oscars acceptance speech, so finally I'd like to thank my mother! :)
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I see the the ETH-Bibliothek website has already entered the information in their catalogue. Swiss efficiency - I bet their trains run on time! ba.e-pics.ethz.ch/#1511345734456_1 then search for "Lindroos Irland"
Longford Library, Heritage & Archives
A bit late I know, but we have information on Joe McGuinness on our online database of Longford military personnel, www.longfordatwar.ie/soldiers/770
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
There's no such thing as 'late' on this stream [https://www.flickr.com/photos/longford_library] :) We've gotten some of our most useful insights sometimes years after the initial posting. Thanks for taking the time to chip in! If you've gotten any insights on any of our other (granted infrequent) Longford images, please do let us know. Or, indeed, if there's anything you want to see us post in the future!
Longford Library, Heritage & Archives
Will do! The one you shared of the second Dáil recently piqued our interest, and we (as in the Heritage Officer and Archivist) were debating which one of them was Joseph. We are tentatively guessing the bearded man on the far left of the second row, possibly with Gen. Seán Mac Eoin in his civvies behind McGuinness to the right (straight up from Dev). Once we've picked over these we will leave a comment there. Keep up the good work!