Square, Coalisland, Co. Tyrone
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I am weary of Dublin/Cork photographs, and so today I made an executive decision to go up to the "Wee North" today :) This fine Royal plate showing the Square (not the Diamond mind you) in Coalisland. It may bring a breath of fresh air to those tired of city life!
EXPLORE KLAXON - BAWAAAAAAH - Our photograph of De Valera in Grand Parade yesterday was our 100th Explore entry. This is a remarkable number and is entirely due to the community who do all the work on this stream. Congratualtions one and all!
Coming back to the "Wee North", among other contributions and contributors, Bernard Healy's census investigations suggest that this image is possibly after the 1901 census. But perhaps before the 1911 census. The lower bound is suggested because the Fullen family (of the "F.V. Fullen" signage we see) may have been living elsewhere nearby during the 1901 census. The upper bound is suggested because (while the Fullens were almost certainly "here" by 1911) some of the other businesses pictured were gone or had moved by then....
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Possibly c.1901-1911
NLI Ref: L_ROY_09044
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EXPLORE KLAXON - BAWAAAAAAH - Our photograph of De Valera in Grand Parade yesterday was our 100th Explore entry. This is a remarkable number and is entirely due to the community who do all the work on this stream. Congratualtions one and all!
Coming back to the "Wee North", among other contributions and contributors, Bernard Healy's census investigations suggest that this image is possibly after the 1901 census. But perhaps before the 1911 census. The lower bound is suggested because the Fullen family (of the "F.V. Fullen" signage we see) may have been living elsewhere nearby during the 1901 census. The upper bound is suggested because (while the Fullens were almost certainly "here" by 1911) some of the other businesses pictured were gone or had moved by then....
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Possibly c.1901-1911
NLI Ref: L_ROY_09044
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Rory_Sherlock
Streetview: www.google.ie/maps/@54.5402741,-6.7021959,3a,75y,325.71h,...
Foxglove
ah I spot two Lyttle dogs!
Foxglove
I edit three, yes three Lytle dogs. Tyrone terriers😊
Rory_Sherlock
St Patrick's Hall appears in the photo on the left-hand side of Barrack Street - it was apparently built in 1888 commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:St_Patrick%27s_Hall,_Coal...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hi Rory, the Streetview link is not working for me, will you have a look at it. Thanks, Mary
Rory_Sherlock
Hi Mary, I think that's sorted now - not sure what went wrong the first time!
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you, that street lamp survived!!
BeachcomberAustralia
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Amazing that the lamp is almost the same - it used to be hexagonal and frillier, now square and plain. Fascinated by those Premier bicycle posters - here is the one on the left - c8.alamy.com/comp/D997T4/poster-for-premier-bicycles-earl...
BeachcomberAustralia
Complicated history of Premier cycles, which seems to suggest 'helical tubing' (see poster above) happened in 1905 - earliest date. The Kangaroo was the symbol of the company (see right hand poster) - bsamuseum.wordpress.com/1905-premier-no-5-popular-with-he... Ed. Also - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_Premier Ed x 2 - helical tubing happened long before 1905 - as you were.
BeachcomberAustralia
Boo! A ghost in Coalisland 1906 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111277402
John A. Coffey
Mr. Lytle has the shutters off and ready for business, the last man to let you down.
BeachcomberAustralia
Flickr is sometimes EXTRAORDINARY - via [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2226347105/] Edit - Alas the mural is no more since about 2009. See old streetview - www.google.ie/maps/@54.5399471,-6.7021679,3a,75y,359.54h,...
BeachcomberAustralia
Spot the differences! - via www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2796857634/]
Bernard Healy
A posting establishment is where ‘post horses’ could be exchange. The maintenance of a stable of horses & (one presumes) associated vehicles provides an obvious synergy with a funeral undertaking business.
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove Well spotted.....
Bernard Healy
I think there is reason to think this is post-1901. Francis Vincent Fullen (aged 21) in 1901 Census was a grocer, living in a shop with 4 front windows & the head of household is his father Thomas who is a clerk. In 1911 Francis Vincent Fullen is 31, listed a merchant, is head of his own family & is living in a public house with 6 front windows. The 1911 Census seems to paint a picture corresponding to our photo above.
Bernard Healy
Bernard Healy And given that I can’t pin down McMahon or Patterson from the 1911 Census returns, could we be dealing with pre-1911? McMahon the butcher & Patterson the hardware merchant are side-by-side in 1901, but this is before young Francis Vincent Fullen opens his 6-windowed pub. Someone may want to check my reasoning, as looking all this up on a smartphone is tricky, but I’d say the photo is from after 1901 & before 1911.
Bernard Healy
Death notice of FV Fullen’s last surviving child, his daughter who died in 2013.
Bernard Healy
The note about bicycles made from ‘BSA Fittings’ led me to this fascinating webpage. It doesn’t narrow the date range, but it does suggest that we’re looking at the first decade of the 20th century: During the first decade of the 20th century, BSA sold frames and fittings through the trade to cycle agents who could add their own transfers for resale to the public. Such a bicycle is now commonly described as a BSA Fittings Machine. If the bike included a BSA frame and was assembled by BSA themselves, it could be fitted with a BSA Piled Arms transfer. If all components were BSA except the frame it might have a transfer (fitted to the top of the seat tube) stating: ‘Guaranteed built with a set of B.S.A. fittings.’
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Thanks https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy. As requested, I "checked your reasoning" :) And could not fault it. So summarised it in the description. And date field. Thanks also to https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia for the alternative views, https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] for helping map the image, and https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove & https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] for taking dog-watch duties :)
Niall McAuley
I noted an ad for Prescott's dye works, which appears a few times in Ulysses: Keyes: two months if I get Nannetti to. That’ll be two pounds ten about two pounds eight. Three Hynes owes me. Two eleven. Prescott’s dyeworks van over there. If I get Billy Prescott’s ad: two fifteen. Five guineas about. On the pig’s back.
Niall McAuley
With that hint from Joyce, I find William Prescott, Dyer, 50, living in leafy Palmerston Park in Dublin with his family.
Niall McAuley
Along the Barrack st, I see St. Patrick's Hall from 1888.
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Thanks for having a look at my reasoning. When I'm away from my PC it's not as straightforward to exhaustively search through census records. :)