Group of what may be foreign dignitaries
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When: 01 January 1924
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A Fez, furs, feathers, monocles, moustaches, spats, top hats, flowers all add up to a very well dressed group with a lot of self esteem and no little wealth and importance. The army officer at the rear is clearly wearing an early Irish Army uniform so we can take it that it was taken in Ireland but what else do we know about them?
Almost simultaneously sharon.corbet and guliolopez suggested that this image is from the same period as a previous image from this stream. If so, it would date this image to 1924 (rather than the c.1922 of the catalogue entry), and probably capture a group of dignitaries, possibly at the Chief Steward's Lodge, during the inaugural Tailteann Games....
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection
Date: Catalogue date c.1922. Possibly Aug c.1924
NLI Ref.: HOG190
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Almost simultaneously sharon.corbet and guliolopez suggested that this image is from the same period as a previous image from this stream. If so, it would date this image to 1924 (rather than the c.1922 of the catalogue entry), and probably capture a group of dignitaries, possibly at the Chief Steward's Lodge, during the inaugural Tailteann Games....
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection
Date: Catalogue date c.1922. Possibly Aug c.1924
NLI Ref.: HOG190
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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sharon.corbet
I think the fez-wearing man is here, meaning that it is probably Tailteann Games dignitaries again: https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18426438103/
guliolopez
Some overlaps with this group? (Or am I just being swayed by the fez?) www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/18426438103/ [EDIT: Snap [https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet] :) ]
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] At least we have notes back this time!
John Spooner
The account of the opening of the Tailteann Games in the London Times on Monday, Aug 04, 1924 says
Is that Augustus John third from left on the back row, with his best side towards the camera as in the Time cover? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_John#/media/File:Time-maga... I'm not so sure now. [edit; I'm convinced it isn't him, but the picture of him in the London Times at the even's garden party has his head at exactly the same angle]CASSIDY PHOTOGRAPHY
"but what else do we know about them?" It is conspicuous, they are having a good time.
O Mac
Given the garb and demeanor I'd guess they are envoys/ambassadors-- and their spouses-- to the United Kingdom.....being just post independence consulates would have yet to have been established in Ireland.
Rory_Sherlock
Was the photo taken at the former Chief Secretary's Lodge in the Phoenix Park (now the residence of the American Ambassador)? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000563378
Inverarra
Great to see that the art of "Photo Bombing" is an ancient Irish pastime. Thanks for posting.
Bernard Healy
That clergyman in the front row is in all three pics. This was before we had a Nuncio, though. Do we have any press clip indicating a Papal Representative or a clergyman giving a blessing at the start of the games?
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] The last time we decided that it could be Monsignor Nolens.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] According to a comment https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] made on the other photo: "The Prince is at present residing at Monte Carlo, where he owns a beautiful villa. It has been arranged to put the Chief Secretary’s Lodge in the Phoenix Park at his disposal during his stay in Dublin."
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Thanks! I didn't realise we'd discussed one of the other photos. Do we have a link to the previous discussion? (Or am I just not seeing where that's linked?)
Bernard Healy
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Sorry! For some reason links to other photos don't show up properly on my PC. I see the link now on the Flickr app. Apologies.
sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy They are actually both the same photo. Myself and https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] were thinking alike this morning. Normally just clicking on the linked photo should bring you to the discussion.
O Mac
The man sitting with both arms and legs crossed looks like the Swedish ambassador to UK Erik Palmstierna.
guliolopez
I had a look through the archives this evening. Of the two largely confirmed diplomats we see (Mirza Riza Khan of Persia, & Erik Palmstierna), there is no mention of either as having been in Dublin before (or indeed after) the Tailteann Games in Jul/Aug 1924. Coupled with the similarities with the windows at the Chief Secretary's Lodge, and confirmation that the Persian party stayed there during the visit, I think it's pretty clear we're looking at Jul/Aug 1924. Who the other dignitaries are, we could likely take our pick. A chunk of the delegates are mentioned in this "who's who" from the opening ceremonies (Freeman's Journal, 1924, page 7): www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/37050105135/
Dún Laoghaire Micheál
Picture Caption in the Weekly Irish Times 9 Aug 1924: "The Governor General, Prince Mira Riza Khan, the Maheraja Sahib of Nawanegay and Sir John Lavery at Croke Park at the Opening of the Tailteann Games on Saturday"
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Thanks all - have updated the tags, description, etc. Looking at the "dignitaries by country" list in [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s snippet, could the man on the left foreground (in the lozely spats) be Carlos Magalhães de Azeredo of Brazil?
simbajak
Great image.
Dr. Ilia
great capture