No, Morning Mary has not gone barking mad! Mr. Poole's generosity in providing three dogs in full living detail just made her feeling like a good roll in the grass! The Poole collection really does have some fine shots with people and animals therein and this is no exception. The ladies with their dogs on the front porch of the family pile look very relaxed and provide a happy scene to end the week!
And while we focused somewhat in the canines in the description, it was (quite rightly) the humans who captured the attention in today's discussion.
Beachcomberaustralia,
sharon.corbet and
Niall McAuley point out that the ladies from the catalogue title ("Miss Malcomson and Lady Clodagh on steps") are likely Lady Clodagh Beresford (daughter of 5th Marquess of Waterford), and a member of the Malcomson family (who had shipyards and mills in Waterford at the turn of the 20th century).
Niall McAuley tells us that Lady Clodagh (1879-1957) actually popularised the name Clodagh (there were few to no girls with the given name of "Clodagh" in the country prior). Sticking with the "Clodagh" theme, Niall and
O Mac offer pretty firm evidence that this image was captured at
Clodagh House in Portlaw, County Waterford, where the Malcomson's lived....
Photographer:
A. H. Poole
Collection:
Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: Catalogue range c.1901-1954. Likely very early in that range.
NLI Ref:
POOLEWP 1066
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at
catalogue.nli.ie
Info:
Owner:
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Source:
Flickr Commons
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"Miss Malcomson and Lady Clodagh on steps" says the title at the NLI. I think Miss Malcomson is the one on the right with the sausage dog due to this - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591180
Ed. And might be called 'Clodagh' from this - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000715343sharon.corbet
Lady Clodagh being Lady Clodagh Beresford, whose sister has featured before: [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6515291955/]
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Ooo - were they sisters ? "Misses Malcomson in Trap" - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591181
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/scorbet Aha! I have not been keeping up !
Niall McAuley
From the peerage dot com: Lady Clodagh Beresford was born on 6 August 1879. She was the daughter of John Henry de la Poer Beresford, 5th Marquess of Waterford and Lady Blanche Elizabeth Adelaide Somerset. She married Hon. Claud Anson, son of Thomas George Anson, 2nd Earl of Lichfield and Lady Harriett Georgiana Louisa Hamilton, on 27 February 1901. She died on 17 April 1957 at age 77.1 Her married name became Anson. So if this is 1901+ per the catalog, she is most likely Clodagh Anson here.
Niall McAuley
It is commonly supposed that she is actually the very first Clodagh: Clodagh Cloda (anglicization) A modern name. This is the name of a river in Tipperary and was first given as a Christian name to the daughter of the Marquis of Waterford, after which it became popular.
DannyM8
Ahh Dogs!!!
Niall McAuley
I am a bit dubious - there is a River Clodiagh in Waterford, and another another river Clodiagh in North Tipp, and another in Kilkenny, but neither the OS or Google have a River Clodagh. Clodagh Road in Waterford is beside Shannon rd and Corrib rd, so someone obviously believed in the Clodagh River when naming it.
DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Map of the river near Portlaw CLODiAGH River
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06 Well, yes, but then the suggestion is that The Marquess not only named his daughter after a river, but he spelled it wrong?
DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] There were no Clodaghs in the 1901 Census and 11 in the 1911 Census so your suggestion is very plausible. Is this her in the 1911 Census? She is 31 and has a daughter 7 yo also a Clodagh - Clodagh Blanche to be precise.
O Mac
maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,647100,616066,11,9 www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&...
DannyM8
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] NIAH gives both spellings vis Clodiagh Bridge, Clodiagh (Clodagh), County Kilkenny
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79549245@N06 Yes, from thepeearge link above, her married name is Anson and her daughter was Clodagh Blanche.
Niall McAuley
Charlotte Fraser Malcomson, perhaps?
Niall McAuley
They could be at Ballysaggartmore House, where the Ansons lived?
Niall McAuley
The Malcomsons occupied 50 rooms in their house in 1901, shouldn't be hard to find...
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] Aha, your cryptic link is to the home of the Malcomsons? That one was converted to a convent in 1901 - not much overlap with the date range here. What about Mayfield, another Malcomson property? aside: the Malcomsons owned the Neptune shipyard which we have come across before:
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Mayfield House is one possibility. ETA: Or as [https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] already suggested Woodlock House.
Niall McAuley
Mayfield is still kind of standing, and doesn't look like a match to me.
Niall McAuley
This is not the front of Woodlock, but the 25" shows more than one door with steps.
Niall McAuley
Ballysaggartmore House is gone, doesn't look like a match to me, either.
Niall McAuley
Here is a funny one in the archive of Miss Malcomson: you can see the marks where the photographer plans to crop the image, and in the area at left to be edited out, someone is dangling something to keep the horse's attention!
Niall McAuley
Two Misses Malcomson in a trap in front of these steps.
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Flickr sometimes amazes - "The Anson Family at Ballysagaartmore in about 1920" https://www.flickr.com/photos/isabel_maree/6302063692/in/album-72157602657706411/
Niall McAuley
What say ye to Clodiagh House, Portlaw?
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Lady Clodagh Beresford Anson 1879 - 1957 was A Very Special Lady 1938 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206945823?searchTerm=c... Also from 1935 - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104475229?searchTerm=c... trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/182010560?searchTerm=c...
Niall McAuley
Streetview
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Lady Clodagh wrote a couple of books of memoirs - www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/book-lady-clodagh-anson-1s... . Wonder if the NLI has copies? Ed. Yes! catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000063445 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000063444 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000063446 The worthpoint link above shows a photo of Lady Clodagh "When I Was Twenty-one". ie in 1900, all victorian ringleted hair. Makes me think this photo is 5 - 10 years later ?
Niall McAuley
I can't find an unobstructed pic of the veranda at Clodiagh House, but I am pretty sure that is where we are today. Clodiagh House also has a bay window to match this archive image of the same sausage dog with the same Miss Malcomson wearing the same clothes and jewelry.
Niall McAuley
Here is Clodagh Anson at her niece's wedding in Westminster Cathedral.
oaktree_brian_1976
think we can safely eliminate the 1950s from the date range. 1900-1910 seems more likely based on the clothes
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Dog breeds? Anyone?
Niall McAuley
Early model Dachshund and Jack Russell, plus some kind of a hairy looking yoke.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Well Ladies and Gentlemen I have just added the following photo to our 50,000+ Views Album, this is the 200th photo in the album. This little Mary is very happy!!!. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/10922005006 https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037
O Mac
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] You're right. It is Clodagh House. There's the three steps and that big square lump of granite Image taken from Niah but didn't enlarge too well. www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03/32548321653/in/datepos...
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I think all five of the Anson family are in this 1922 photo too - https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6652917919/
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Thanks all! Great stuff as usual. Have updated map, description, etc to try and reflect today's brilliant insights. On the date, while this is almost certainly the first half of the near-5 decade range, do we think we can refine a bit more?
O Mac
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] As the lady (Susan de la Poer Beresford) is still a "Miss" (no ring evident either) the photograph has to have been taken before she was married on 28 April 1902*. As already mentioned Lady Clodagh Beresford was married on February 27th 1901. As there's leaves on the trees reflected in the window I'd reckon sometime between May 1901 .....Autumn 1901 *Peerage
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A clearer 'now' photo of Clodiagh House, showing the distinctive mouldings around the door etc - scontent.fsyd4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12642489_11803190... via www.facebook.com/people/Clodiagh-House/100011195529864
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] Hmm - there is a big fat plain ring evident in these "ca. 4 December 1900" photos - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591239 - with The Sphere catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591238 - with Maud Gonne?
O Mac
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That has to be an engagement ring Lady Susan has in that "Miss Gonn" picture. She got married April 1902.... You have often so rightly said.. "Flickr sometimes amazes" https://www.flickr.com/photos/83103208@N00/8506630995
Jared Enos
Great photo! This was my take on it, hope you all at the NLI like it! www.flickr.com/photos/jenoscolor/33624489036/in/dateposte...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/jenoscolor I like it ! 10/10.
O Mac
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jenoscolor Very good.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jenoscolor Well done
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STOP THE PRESSES! Perhaps we have made a Great Big Mistake with identifying Lady Clodagh in this photo? Is the catalogue title wrong? Possibly they are the Malcomson sisters (unnamed so far), seen taking turns driving ?? - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591181 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000591182 See comments here - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/33750283248/]
derangedlemur
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia You probably need to tag https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland for them to notice that the presses need stopping.
Niall McAuley
Looking at the pics of the Malcomsons and the Beresfords above, I agree with the beachcomber that these are the Malcomsons, and not Lady Clodagh at all. The Clodagh in the catalogue comes from the house, Clodiagh House.