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An unusual shot from Robert French in that the POV of the subject matter is so limited and obstructed by other buildings. How much has changed in the intervening period and when was this likely to have been taken?
Though the titular subject of the image is the town hall in Kingstown, now Dún Laoghaire. much of today's discussion was on the Pavilion Gardens Kingstown in the foreground. This waterfront attraction (with its concert hall, roof top garden, smoking/reading/tea rooms, flower beds, waterfall, bandstand, and bowling green) was opened in 1903. Which pushes the upper date in our catalogue range back a little. It seems likely, based on today's discussion, that this image was captured a few years after the official opening - perhaps c.1905....
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1880-1900. Though possibly c.1905
NLI Ref: L_ROY_01700
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Though the titular subject of the image is the town hall in Kingstown, now Dún Laoghaire. much of today's discussion was on the Pavilion Gardens Kingstown in the foreground. This waterfront attraction (with its concert hall, roof top garden, smoking/reading/tea rooms, flower beds, waterfall, bandstand, and bowling green) was opened in 1903. Which pushes the upper date in our catalogue range back a little. It seems likely, based on today's discussion, that this image was captured a few years after the official opening - perhaps c.1905....
Photographer: Robert French
Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection
Date: Catalogue range c.1880-1900. Though possibly c.1905
NLI Ref: L_ROY_01700
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Wendy:
great angle especially including the corner of the Pavillon site!
Niall McAuley
Nearby streetview
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
I wonder if that is Davy Stevens in front of the station (see note) https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8385457027/
Niall McAuley
Town hall opened in 1880 per the DIA
sharon.corbet
The pavilion opened in 1903 according to Archiseek .
Niall McAuley
We have seen one of those embossing machines before (indeed, this shot was referenced by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03] when discussing that one):
Niall McAuley
Archiseek says the Pavilion was built in 1904 and rebuilt after a fire in 1916.
Niall McAuley
DIA has the Pavilion at 1902-1903.
Niall McAuley
NIAH no help today.
B-59
The former railway station is earlier (1854) archiseek.com/2010/1854-former-railway-station-dun-laogha...
B-59
The Town Hall by archiseek: archiseek.com/2009/1879-dun-laoghaire-town-hall-co-dublin/
Niall McAuley
L_CAB_02637 is earlier: no pavilion or pavilion gates, horse drawn tram. Likewise L_CAB_02248 horse tram, giant gas streetlight on the corner. Electric tram (as here) from 1896.
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_03989 shows the Pavilion in the distance, and L_ROY_04423 from the rear, L_ROY_05903 shows park before the pavilion is built.
philfluther
Palatial-o-clock.
sharon.corbet
Century Ireland has a photo of the inside of the Pavilion after the 1915 fire
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Wondering if the unusual POV (see NLI Mary's
blurbwonderfully crafted introduction at top) might indicate that the photo was intended as part of a panoramic view of Kingstown Harbour from the newish Pavilion ? Can't find any other Kingstown photos in the catalogue which scream "pano", due to lack of local knowledge. Saying this because similar unusual composition photos of Sydney have turned out to be bits of a pano. For example, this ship photo turned out to be part of a very unusual vertical panorama - https://www.flickr.com/photos/anmm_thecommons/8491399118/National Library of Ireland on The Commons
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia BLURB!!
Niall McAuley
L_CAB_01188 shows the pavilion from the rear, but the shrubbery and borders are only just planted. Today's image is at least 2 years later, I'd say 1905 earliest.
Niall McAuley
In L_ROY_05902 the pavilion railings are in place, but not the electric lights.
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] L_ROY_00690 is from 1905, based on the posters advertising "The Blue Zouaves" on Monday June 26, if that helps with the dating.
Niall McAuley
Maybe a find by [https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07] ? Is the object in today's shot poking in at right the same as the front of the parked cart in L_ROY_00690? I think it may be - there are poster boards in the same places - but we can see the posters, which say : Pavilion Kingstown Monday June 26 ... THE BLUE ZOUAVES Fireworks American Bioscope
Niall McAuley
I can't find any detail to suggest it is a different day - I think this is late June 1905.
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_00689 is from the rear, but looks like the same day again. I see the other poster board right of the front gate, and the borders are blooming. Nice summery crowd, band in the bandstand out the back. More Zouaves in L_ROY_00693
Niall McAuley
OCO 151 is from a similar spot, but later: the electric lights are busted, I see a lot more phone wires. (it is also mirrored).
Niall McAuley
In L_ROY_05551 it has been raining. The Embosser has moved, the plant pots and chairs too, and there are flagpoles. A different day.
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley "the object in today's shot poking in at right" I think it might be a fancy set of fire ladders? https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07 They would have been handy the day of the fire!
Niall McAuley
Zouaves and the parked cart are in L_ROY_00695 again. I know we don't rely on similar catalogue numbers being at the same time, but that is a lot of similar numbers: 689, 690, 693. 692 is in Kingstown on a sunny day - could match. 691 is Unknown and not digitized (bet it is kingstown too!)
Niall McAuley
L_ROY_01695 looks similar (band, poster board, shrubs), but 1694 (also pavilion gardens) looks later. So, as I noted, we cannot rely on similarities in numbers alone.
dantheserene
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That is a very interesting flickr you linked to, and I am now following it. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Thanks all!