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For Friday we have a stereo-pairs image of a seafront with houses above a shingle beach, boats pulled up to the hard stand and a most peculiar charabanc with a large group of people on board! While there are people standing around none pay attention to the photographer as all eyes are on the horse drawn transport! What is surrounded by iron railings so close to the sea?
This image was quickly identified as the waterfront (Havelock Place) in Warrenpoint, County Down. While there was no immediate confirmation on what the gated area may have been on the pier-front, we thought it could have simply been fencing around a building which is just out of shot.... .... And indeed O Mac confirmed since that it was the frontage of "Harbour House" which seems to have stood until at least the first decades of the 20th century.
Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton
Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence
Collection: Stereo Pairs Collection
Date: between ca. 1860-1883
NLI Ref: STP_2140
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
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This image was quickly identified as the waterfront (Havelock Place) in Warrenpoint, County Down. While there was no immediate confirmation on what the gated area may have been on the pier-front, we thought it could have simply been fencing around a building which is just out of shot.... .... And indeed O Mac confirmed since that it was the frontage of "Harbour House" which seems to have stood until at least the first decades of the 20th century.
Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton
Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence
Collection: Stereo Pairs Collection
Date: between ca. 1860-1883
NLI Ref: STP_2140
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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O Mac
Warrenpoint, Co Down. St Peter's Church in distance. Streetview The Warrenpoint and Rostrevor Tramway operated 3 ft narrow gauge, horse-drawn tramway services between Warrenpoint and Rostrevor, County Down, Ireland from 1877 to 1915 ...So Post 1877 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000557411
derangedlemur
Church looks like Warrenpoint.
derangedlemur
www.google.ie/maps/@54.0983243,-6.2531614,3a,75y,358.24h,...
derangedlemur
Looks like it's from here, but Streetview doesn't get the church in because it's too close to the houses: www.google.ie/maps/@54.0992605,-6.2548068,3a,75y,97.77h,8...
derangedlemur
Too slow again, damn it.
O Mac
The house with the stepped gable survives www.google.ie/maps/@54.0988072,-6.2540235,3a,75y,100.47h,...
Niall McAuley
Here are trams at the other end of the line (somewhat later date):
BeachcomberAustralia
Snippets via Trove which are not in the Wikipedia article (yet); the Earl* sold the tramway for a loss in 1884 -
From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18924117?searchTerm=wa... And the contractor was David Mahood (1830 - 1911) - From - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111093555?searchTerm=w... * en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Needham,_3rd_Earl_of_KilmoreyNiall McAuley
Looking at the OSNI site, the 1859 6" does seem to show the railings at the front of a building (Enter Co-ordinates 314158,318110). There is still a long building there today with railings.
BeachcomberAustralia
A huge flight of fancy I know, but I am wondering if the character by the railing is Francis Needham, 3rd Earl of Kilmorey? See this Vanity Fair cartoon from 1876 - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Francis_Charles_Needham,_Vanit...
Niall McAuley
That 1877 date looks iffy - the tramway is on the 1859 OS map.
Niall McAuley
Ha ha! There were two kinds of vehicles, open carriages called toast –racks, on account of the parallel row of seats, and closed with glass windows, known as “butter coolers.”
guliolopez
I am not from Warrenpoint, but have slept more than a few nights in the buildings that https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] highlights as "survivors". That whole terrace (Havelock Place) is largely as was. And very much have the feel of 200 year-old homes :)
BeachcomberAustralia
A visitor's description in 1899 -
From = trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/214378538?searchTerm=w...National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Thanks all! Have updated the map and description to match. Not sure if it helps with dating, but the ivy-covered building (taller and central in the Havelock terrace) is still a meeting place for the "Foresters" friendly society :) Also, while searching our (extensive) images of mainly holidaymakers in Warrenpoint, I came across this one of tram/train passengers. Whether they are onboard the "toast-rack" or a "butter-cooler" or some other kitchen related conveyance, I'm not sure. They look like they're enjoying themselves though :)
O Mac
The gate in the foreground was the entrance to Harbour House,,, now gone. There's a photograph and some history of the place here. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29882821385/in/datepos...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Excellent https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]! Description tweaked!
silverio10
Buena serie de fotos antiguas .