An "Outside car" outside the gates!
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The description on this image states that this is an "Outside Car" and goes on at length to describe the gates and pillars! But are they still there? Where are/were they? They certainly are very ornate and ostentatious.
With thanks especially today to derangedlemur, we know that these imposing gates and gatelodge are at the start of the driveway to Muckross House in Killarney, County Kerry. The ironwork (attributed to Richard Perrott of Cork) and pillars and gatelodge (seemingly attributed to William Atkins also of Cork) date to 1860. They were probably built before the arrival of Queen Victoria at Muckross in 1861. And, as philfluther suggests in his own enigmatic way, likely intended to impress her madge.
The community points-out that you can get an "Outside car" from the same spot today - just outside the gates.
Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton
Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence
Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection
Date: Between 1860 - 1883
NLI Ref: STP_0637
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
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With thanks especially today to derangedlemur, we know that these imposing gates and gatelodge are at the start of the driveway to Muckross House in Killarney, County Kerry. The ironwork (attributed to Richard Perrott of Cork) and pillars and gatelodge (seemingly attributed to William Atkins also of Cork) date to 1860. They were probably built before the arrival of Queen Victoria at Muckross in 1861. And, as philfluther suggests in his own enigmatic way, likely intended to impress her madge.
The community points-out that you can get an "Outside car" from the same spot today - just outside the gates.
Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton
Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence
Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection
Date: Between 1860 - 1883
NLI Ref: STP_0637
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
Views: 19551
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Swordscookie
Money, money, money was needed to build the gate and lodge to that standard! They were probably broke within a generation?
Niall McAuley
The description says "possible griffins" but I think those are wyverns or dragons.
DannyM8
Crest on pillars could be the Earl of Pembroke?
Niall McAuley
There are wyverns in the Brabazon arms, but this is not Kilruddery:
derangedlemur
It looks like Muckross House gate lodge. Does it have Wyverns? Edit: Actually, no. The bay window is the wrong shape. Extra edit: It must be Muckross. I must just not be able to see the bay window properly because there's a pillar in the way. It's got a new chimney but it looks identical otherwise.
derangedlemur
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Rory_Sherlock
Yes, it's Muckross www.google.ie/maps/@52.0329562,-9.4909675,3a,69.8y,297.49...
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Via streetview above they are still hiring out outside cars outside the gates across the street. Well done The Lemur !
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Good job.
derangedlemur
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sharon.corbet
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I only see 2 legs, which would make them wyverns. That matches with the Herbert family crest: "a wyvern vert, holding in the mouth a sinister hand couped at the wrist gu".
Niall McAuley
Gwan the lemur! Per the NIAH: Gateway, built c. 1860, to south comprising pair of limestone ashlar piers with triangular capping having cast-iron gates, curved quadrant walls with limestone ashlar panels and dressings having cast-iron railings. No mention of wyverns.
Niall McAuley
Using the 1860 date, we have, at the DIA: Name: ATKINS, WILLIAM Building: CO. KERRY, MUCKROSS HOUSE (KILLARNEY) Date: 1857 Nature: Gates, farm, church, porte cochère, for Col Henry Herbert. Gates executed by Perrot, Cork. Church built by Evans. Refs: Irish Times, 28 Dec 1860; DB 3, 1 Jan 1861, 387; Irish Times, 28 Dec 1860; Jeremy Williams, 'William Atkins 1812-1887, a forgotten Cork Pre-Raphaelite' in A. Bernelle (ed.), Decantations: a tribute to Maurice Craig (1992), 244,249
Niall McAuley
Perrot above is Richard Perrott and Sons of Hive Ironworks, Hanover Street, Cork. The family were still Ironfounders named Richard in 1901
philfluther
Comments 3. Munificence, possibly to land Victoria. Next the avenue, Blue Pool River Bridge. Monogram "H H H". A Kerry sojourn.
guliolopez
Outside cars are still outside
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Excellent thanks all - especially [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] for the location confirmation. The gates certainly impressed us - but we hadn't considered that they were likely intended to impress such a grand visitor! Given that the catalogue description describes the arms as "3 lions rampant", one imagines that these are the arms of the Herbert family - likely representing Henry Arthur Herbert and Mary Balfour Herbert who built and owned the house at the time(?) Any "heralds" out there who might confirm? (Oh wait.... we have one on site :) .... ) Thanks all again. Brilliant sleuthing and architectural history on display today as usual. Description, map, tags and etc all updated to try and capture even a slice of it.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Via Trove Queen Victoria's visit in August 1861; she was very impressed - trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13067227?searchTerm=mu...
domenico milella
Congratulation for your beautiful Album. Nice day.