"A bridal pair in Cork" is Emmet Dalton and Alice Shannon
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Where: Cork, Ireland
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When: 01 October 1922
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When I selected this from the archive I thought I recognised the man but I was not sure. Now getting the photo ready to post I see the following from the archive Photographic print of Major General Emmet Dalton and his new bride on their wedding day. They were married in October 1922. Title taken from inscription written on mount under print . It tends to confirm my guess, what do you think?....
....and with thanks to today's excellent contributions it seems confirmed that this is indeed Major General Emmet Dalton and Alice Shannon on the day of their wedding in October 1922 at Clarence Hall in the Imperial Hotel, Cork. Guliolopez shares a contemporary newspaper article on the wedding which described the bride's attire as:
a petunia frock, and she wore a silver grey hat of chiffon velvet, and silver grey shoes and stockings. She carried a bouquet of chrsyanthemums and lilies
Their marriage took place during the Civil War, just a few months after Dalton championed the offensive against anti-treaty strongholds in the area (during which his friend Michael Collins was killed). Dalton left the army within a few months of this photo - possibly due to Collins' death or the reprisal killings which marked the latter stages of the Civil War. He later became involved in the film industry - founding Ardmore Studios (coincidentally up for sale this very week)....
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection
Date: October 1922
NLI Ref.: HOGW 191
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....and with thanks to today's excellent contributions it seems confirmed that this is indeed Major General Emmet Dalton and Alice Shannon on the day of their wedding in October 1922 at Clarence Hall in the Imperial Hotel, Cork. Guliolopez shares a contemporary newspaper article on the wedding which described the bride's attire as:
a petunia frock, and she wore a silver grey hat of chiffon velvet, and silver grey shoes and stockings. She carried a bouquet of chrsyanthemums and lilies
Their marriage took place during the Civil War, just a few months after Dalton championed the offensive against anti-treaty strongholds in the area (during which his friend Michael Collins was killed). Dalton left the army within a few months of this photo - possibly due to Collins' death or the reprisal killings which marked the latter stages of the Civil War. He later became involved in the film industry - founding Ardmore Studios (coincidentally up for sale this very week)....
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection
Date: October 1922
NLI Ref.: HOGW 191
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Niall McAuley
Wikipedia suggests that they got married in December in Cork's Imperial Hotel.
Niall McAuley
Founder of Ardmore Studios!
B-59
See also www.daltondatabank.org/Chronicles/Major_General_Emmett_Da... www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1011-ireland-and-the-grea...
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Emmet Dalton had a brother, Charlie, who is pictured in this photo: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/15766239474/
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He had a daughter, Audrey (born 21 January 1934), who is a television and film actress. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audrey_Dalton thelastdrivein.com/2016/03/17/monstergirl-listens-reflect... www.classicfilmtvcafe.com/2016/03/2016-interview-audrey-d...
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Emmet Dalton was mentioned in in connection with this photo as well: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6233259813/
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I couldn't find out who was the "new bride", exept that she was "scheming" www.classicfilmtvcafe.com/2016/03/2016-interview-audrey-d...
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley I recently saw a documentary about Michael Collins death in which Dalton was interviewed at length by Cathal O'Shannon - I will see if I can find a link to it.
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Perhaps his biography 'Emmet Dalton - Somme Soldier, Irish General, Film Pioneer' by Sean Boyne would reveal it www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/review-of-emmet-dalton-s... thewildgeese.irish/profiles/blogs/review-of-emmet-dalton-...
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www.rte.ie/archives/exhibitions/1011-ireland-and-the-grea... Here is an video of Dalton - but not the one I commented about, I must have seen it on the TV!. From the RTE Archive
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] No, It was this one Great Irish Journeys www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/greatirishjourneys.html Episode 3: Michael Collins' Last Day The last 24 hours in the life of Michael Collins tells us so much about the man and in this film RTÉ Radio 1 broadcaster John Creedon sets out to retrace the Big Fellow's journey into West Cork that fateful day. En route John meets a variety of historians who explain what happened and where and he also talks to Collins' grand-niece. Was his visit to Cork a premature victory parade and if so, how much of what happened did Collins bring on himself? The video does not seem to be available! whereas episodes 1, 2 and 4 are on the player ?? www.rte.ie/player/ie/show/great-irish-journeys-30002367/1...
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( https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I saw that it was a wrong one and had deleted the link)
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Emmet Dalton's Account of Collins' Assassination sarasmichaelcollinssite.com/mcdalton.htm "We (Emmet and Sean O'Connell) rushed to the spot with a dreadful fear clutching our hearts. We found our beloved Chief and friend lying motionless in a firing position, firmly gripping his rifle, across which his head was resting. There was a fearful gaping wound at the base of the skull behind the right ear. We immediately saw that General Collins was almost beyond human aid. He could not speak to us. The enemy must have seen that something had occurred to cause a sudden cessation of our fire, because they intensified their own. O'Connell now knelt beside the dying but still conscious Chief, whose eyes were wide open and normal, and he whispered into the ear of the fast-sinking man the words of the Act of Contrition. For this he was rewarded by a slight pressure of the hand".
Niall McAuley
The archive has a shot of an engraved silver tray, a present from the IRA, with the date October 1922, so Wikipedia has the date wrong. The couple kneeling during the wedding (which does look to be in a Hotel function room, not a church). A wider shot of the wedding in the hotel.
Niall McAuley
The Examiner has a story on the 13th October 1922 titled "MAJOR GENERAL DALTON".
guliolopez
Hi all. Cork one. So weighing in :) Emmett Dalton married Alice Shannon in Cork on 9 October 1922. (https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley - I don't think Wikipedia is saying they married in December. It says "shortly afterwards in December he resigned his commission"). Alice Shannon was from Dublin. (St Benedict’s Gardens / Drumcondra Road, Phibsborough apparently). The location of the marriage was not (as someone familiar with the Imperial Hotel might spot), in the main ballroom(s) of the hotel. The ballroom in the Imperial Hotel does not have that "triple height" ceiling and stage we see in those photos. The wedding itself was actually in Clarence Hall. While attached and operated by the Imperial Hotel, Clarence Hall was a music hall with - as far as I know - its own entrance on Pembroke Street. The wedding occurred there because the security situation in Cork was still tenuous at the time. Especially after Collins' death shortly before. The Imperial was something of a Pro-Treaty stronghold at the time, and safer than a local church. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley - I'll look for that Examiner report later tonight...
Niall McAuley
I think Alice Shannon was not at home for the census in 1911. If that is her, she was 10. Emmet was 13.
Dún Laoghaire Micheál
Married in St Finbarr's Church 9 Oct 1922 flic.kr/p/MSztuU
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An interesting man - he was a former Bohemian soccer player and club president. bohemianfc.com/?p=2519
Andy Gant ...
Great image.... seen in "B&W Images from around the World" www.flickr.com/groups/picsinbw/
La Belle Province
That hat! It's like a gorgeous soggy souffle.
guliolopez
OK - So I took [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]'s bait, and went looking in the archives for contemporary coverage. The Southern Star has one of the longer pieces on the wedding (below/linked). It includes a description which [https://www.flickr.com/photos/la_belle_province] may appreciate on the bride's attire. The description of the bedecked Clarence Hall matches perfectly with the other related Hogan wedding images which were linked. The Freeman's Journal has a similar piece (not linked). It also covers what the bride wore/carried, and has a description of the wedding gifts which match the silver tea set which [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] mentions. More importantly however, on the same page of the Freeman's Journal is a Hogan image (below/linked) which captures the wedding party - with the distinctive hat. Seems pretty unequivocal that "our" image covers the same event/subjects/etc. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29785611564/ www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29784543123/
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Amazing stuff all! Especially https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley, https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected], and https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] for the detail on the wedding and confirmation of our theory. And https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] for the copy of the marriage cert. Great to be able to sound the location, subject, and date confirmed klaxons so confidently! Have updated the map, description, tags, etc to try and summarise some of the great inputs today. Very much appreciated as usual...
La Belle Province
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thank you! You found a treasure trove of details.
Oretani Wildlife (Mike Grimes)
Quite coincidental that he founded Ardmore Studios and just today I read that they are up for sale.
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[https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikeegee] I noticed that! www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/ossie-kilken...
Bariom43
Fascinating. Thank you
Niall McAuley
THe Registrar's record has Emmet as James Emmet.