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Here two small ships lie on the mud where the tide has gone out and to prevent the cargo and fittings from moving and tipping the vessel over it was necessary to have them "Ship Shape and Bristol Fashion"! The tide at Bristol rises and falls up to 14 metres and so a vessel that did not have its fittings and cargo tied down was in danger of tipping over and being swamped by the incoming tide! This is a long way from Bristol but where?

Based on sterling investigations by derangedlemur (and independent corroboration by sharon.corbet and KiloSierraDelta) it is confirmed that this is Quoile Quay close to Downpatrick in Northern Ireland. This part of the Quoile River was clearly navigable and the storehouses on the quay indicate a reasonable amount of traffic and trade. While some other aspects of this scene have changed, the frontage of the storehouses seem to remain - incorporated into a modern residential development...


Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: Between 1860 and 1883

NLI Ref: STP_2224

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Sep/2016 08:18:28

    I always thought "Bristol Fashion" meant there were two !

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 08:48:11

    It's not looking immediately familiar, which generally means Cork or Kerry somehwere. With the skyline cropped like that, you never know how many mountains are missing form the background.

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 08:55:29

    Though having said that, most of the Lawrence stereo pairs seem to be in Down.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 15/Sep/2016 10:43:01

    The NLI Ref text is off, should be NLI 2224 (the link is correct).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 15/Sep/2016 11:23:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thank you Niall, corrected now!

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    guliolopez

    • 15/Sep/2016 11:36:47

    Like https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected], my first thought was West Cork/Kerry. But then the young fellas (standing boater-wearer and reclining pipe-smoker) don't seem very "West Cork" to me. I'd lean towards points north as well. The quays and storehouses suggest fairly significant port traffic. Maybe we're somewhere on the coast between Larne and North Antrim - for trade across the Irish Sea/North Channel? Where ever it is, I hope it still looks like this!

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 12:14:12

    With no shadows, you can't even tell which direction we're looking.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 15/Sep/2016 12:23:45

    will link to the steregranimaion later lol. nice shot

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 13:43:44

    It's very Strangfordy, though it's not this bit: www.google.ie/maps/@54.3636507,-5.5665287,3a,27.8y,33.57h...

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    Swordscookie

    • 15/Sep/2016 13:53:15

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Spare the blushes of the delicate ladies in the library, poor morning Mary is probably shocked at the thought!

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    Swordscookie

    • 15/Sep/2016 13:57:50

    The vessel in the left foreground is on its way out! The gunwales are all broken open which would let the sea wash across the decks and there are lines blowing loose on one of the masts! Bristol fashion they may be but ship shape they are not!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 15/Sep/2016 15:58:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] And the matching Lawrence photo with caption...

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 16:07:22

    Looks like it's the port for Downpatrick and the local distillery and corn store near Frankville

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 16:16:41

    Well, I walked into Bristol With cutlass and pistol A new bo'sun's whistle and a swaggerin' stride And without too much censure I soon was indentured And embarked for adventure on a bright morning's tide

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    Niall McAuley

    • 15/Sep/2016 16:31:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Wow, it isn't even very near the coast! Good work!

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    derangedlemur

    • 15/Sep/2016 16:47:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Heh. I actually felt that after Gulio's write up yesterday it was a fairly poor effort ( I was busy earlier).

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    KiloSierraDelta

    • 15/Sep/2016 19:46:37

    Pretty sure it's Downpatrick. The Road most prominant in the picture, I'm pretty sure it Quoile Brae. There is a new road alignment and there are trees along the old road which obscure alot of the view. Believe this is where the photo was taken from \/ www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.3427462,-5.7035849,3a,75y,245.5...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Sep/2016 08:56:47

    Brilliant stuff [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]! And thanks also to [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] and [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] for the independent verification. I thought maybe this one was going to remain unconfirmed for a (now nearly unprecedented) 12 hours*. But it wasn't to be - the various maps/etc seem pretty concrete. And it is also likely the case that the next image in the STP series (STP_2225 is the flood/sluice gates we see in the OSI map linked... (* Can you imagine it a whole day without being able to identify a 150 year-old image based on little more than the slope of a hill and the curve in a river. The very notion of it :) )

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/Sep/2016 08:59:09

    What was it https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] said? "...And then there's those two nutbags Sharon and Lemur who just sniff the location off the screen! They're weird, and probably axe-murderers."

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    guliolopez

    • 16/Sep/2016 09:02:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You mean ye're not :) Oh I am disappointed :)

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 09/Jun/2020 23:54:08

    Reverse-ish view animation via Twitter - twitter.com/LecalePeninsula/status/1270295552811507714

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    conall..

    • 18/Jan/2021 18:38:45

    amazing! looks so different today but still recognisable. With the quoile barage this is all freshwater now with just a small tidal effect on the water levels