Where: Unknown
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When: 01 October 1916
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A team in Waterford with Kilkenny-like vertical stripes may not have been too popular in inter-county circles - but these lads look like they could cope with the slagging! A fine Poole shot of a hurling team to remind us that yet another All Ireland season is in full swing.
With thanks to all of the contributions today, in particular Niall McAuley, swordscookie, j.coffey78, and guliolopez, we know that the team pictured (or at least most of them) challenged for the 1916 Waterford County Hurling Final around the time of this photo. They forced a replay with Ferrybank GAA club. But lost out to Ferrybank in the end 5-0 to 3-3. guliolopez helpfully links us to a write up of the replayed final which lists the team as:
T King (goal), J Hogan, L Cantwell, R Cantwell, P Durley, T Smyth, W Walsh, J Power, M Fitzpatrick, M Baldwin, P Purcell, W Sullivan, T McCormack, J Geary, R McKenna
A player who didn't make the replay (D Quinn) may also be captured here. It's proposed that, as perhaps the person who commissioned the photo, J(ohn?) Hogan could be the captain pictured....
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date:ca. 14 October 1916
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2692
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
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With thanks to all of the contributions today, in particular Niall McAuley, swordscookie, j.coffey78, and guliolopez, we know that the team pictured (or at least most of them) challenged for the 1916 Waterford County Hurling Final around the time of this photo. They forced a replay with Ferrybank GAA club. But lost out to Ferrybank in the end 5-0 to 3-3. guliolopez helpfully links us to a write up of the replayed final which lists the team as:
T King (goal), J Hogan, L Cantwell, R Cantwell, P Durley, T Smyth, W Walsh, J Power, M Fitzpatrick, M Baldwin, P Purcell, W Sullivan, T McCormack, J Geary, R McKenna
A player who didn't make the replay (D Quinn) may also be captured here. It's proposed that, as perhaps the person who commissioned the photo, J(ohn?) Hogan could be the captain pictured....
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date:ca. 14 October 1916
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2692
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
Views: 20200
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Swordscookie
Well there will be no trouble with the date anyway???? 1916 it is! The chap with the medals on his waistcoat is looking very self satisfied - did Waterford have All Ireland before '16???
Niall McAuley
Photo ordered by Mr. Hogan of 31 Morley terrace, which is here on Gracedieu Road.
Niall McAuley
John Hogan was 20 in 1911.
j.coffey78
In 1916 Young Irelands were beaten by Ferrybank in the Waterford Senior Hurling Final, they seem to have disbanded after that.The referee in the 1916 All Ireland Final was a W. Walsh (Waterford). There are two other Young Irelands GAA Clubs, in Gowran (Kilkenny) and Dundalk (Louth). -- A fantastic photograph.
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] They didn't disband immediately: Waterford GAA's page says they won the Waterford club championship in 1918. On the other hand, one of the lists here says the 1918 result was Clonea 4-03 Ferrybank 2-01 (the list of wins by club at that page agrees with the Waterford GAA page).
philipgmayer
A lot of sticky-out ears. Inbreeding?
Swordscookie
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] No! That's to hear the grass grow!
dantheserene
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ouch. Once I saw the ears, I couldn't stop seeing the ears.
guliolopez
Ouch indeed. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]. I'm sure that was intended jokingly. But it seems harsh. Unless perhaps I'm unaware of a medical theory that attributes ear shape to parentage/genetics(?) For myself, given that we've looked at a lot of "face on" group photos here (with backgrounds of a uniform colour that contrasts with ear colour), it seems that ears sometimes look more obvious. Personally I therefore don't see anything unusual here. Not that would lead to school-yard jokes about someone's physical appearance and parentage anyway. (If we are however in the mood for puerile jokes, perhaps instead we might question the captain's choice of position for commemorative sliotar and hurley handle? If we do smile about that, maybe we can then leave the "your mother!" retort aside...) PS: Where was this one taken?
philipgmayer
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] "PS: Where was this one taken?" Probably Waterford ???????????????
BeachcomberAustralia
"We are all in the gutter but some of us are looking at the sliotars!"
guliolopez
Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]. That's great. LOLs all around. ROFL in fact. If anyone does however genuinely recognise the doors behind, I guess a more specific location than "Waterford" might be interesting. For anyone else interested, below is a write-up from the Munster Express of 2 December 1916. Including the team sheet. Which presumably covers all the men pictured. To my own read, it stands-out that Ferrybank won the game without scoring a single point. All goals. Ground hurling clearly much more common 100 years ago. The Young Irelands team listed (below) has perhaps one pair of brothers, but no other obviously close relations
- Munster Express - 2 December 1916 "J Hogan" seems likely to be the John Hogan who commissioned the image. The write-up doesn't name the captain, but maybe as he's listed first after the goalkeeper, maybe he's the man we see in the captain's jersey. Also interesting in the Munster Express extract is the date. December 1916. The date of the "replay". Rather than October 1916. The date this image was taken (and perhaps closer to the date of the initial game that forced the replay). Given that this image might have been taken around the time of the original final, it seems likely that the player named Dick Quinn (mentioned as not playing in the replay) is also pictured here somewhere. I couldn't find a write-up on the earlier match, and so don't have a date for it. Only notices in late November heralding the replay. Which imply it was going to be a good one: - Munster Express 25 November 1916 www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/29628801426/National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Thanks all! Especially https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] for the article on the final. I hope you don't mind, but I've "borrowed" the team sheet for the description and updated the tags, etc. As suggested, it would be great to be able to add this to the map too. But we'll be just as happy to maybe stick the pin in the map close to the Poole studio.
xlfbhdws71
This is the main door of the Christian Brothers' monastery at Mount Sion CBS, in Barrack Street - often used as a location for group photos of teams, Leaving Cert classes and Confirmations. Not sure what the connection is with Young Ireland's. The famous Mount Sion GAA club was not founded until 1932.
Niall McAuley
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Streetview of that door.