The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch : commissioned by Terence G.Johnson, Esq
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To start the week is an unusual image from the Poole Collection. Labelled as "The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co. Down : commissioned by Terence G.Johnson, Esq", this is unusual in that it is far from his normal range around south Munster and Leinster. This one is labelled as north of the border, apparently in the 1930s when the two parts of the island were going their separate ways....
....When today's contributors couldn't seemingly find evidence of this house in Spa, County Down, sharon.corbet was (somehow through skill/graft/ESP or a mixture of all) able to confirm why: this isn't County Down at all. Rather, Sharon has confirmed that Poole didn't get this commission from more than 200 miles away in County Down, but from under 30 miles away: in Spa, County Tipperary. Closer to the usual Poole catchment area, and making way more sense, Sharon suggests that the Spa and Ballynahinch area of County Down was mistaken for "Raheen House, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co Tipperary" - where the family of Terence G(reer) Johnston lived...
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: c.30 October 1930
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3768
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
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....When today's contributors couldn't seemingly find evidence of this house in Spa, County Down, sharon.corbet was (somehow through skill/graft/ESP or a mixture of all) able to confirm why: this isn't County Down at all. Rather, Sharon has confirmed that Poole didn't get this commission from more than 200 miles away in County Down, but from under 30 miles away: in Spa, County Tipperary. Closer to the usual Poole catchment area, and making way more sense, Sharon suggests that the Spa and Ballynahinch area of County Down was mistaken for "Raheen House, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co Tipperary" - where the family of Terence G(reer) Johnston lived...
Photographer: A. H. Poole
Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford
Date: c.30 October 1930
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3768
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
Views: 18831
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Niall McAuley
I see some references to The Carriage Rooms at Montalto Estate saying "aka the Lodge", but I don't see this building...
guliolopez
These shots from other angles might help with identification. I don't know the area myself...
sharon.corbet
There were a few more photos of the house taken at the same time: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594399 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594400 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594402 The 1918 Ulster Counties Directory has a John Anderson, Estate Agent at The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch.
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Wonderful old map which shows the location of the houses around Spa (before c.1876, when the Presbyterian Church was built ?). Unfortunately this house does not seem to be there - raremaps.com/gallery/detail/18514?view=print
sharon.corbet
This is another misidentification, I think. It's actually Raheen House in Co. Tipperary. Streetview.
sharon.corbet
The Terence G. Johnson appears to be Major Terence Greer Johnston. His father is reported as living at "Raheen House, Spa, Ballynahinch, County Tipperary"...
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NIAH 25" OSI Map.
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Well done https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07. Amazing stuff. That would seem to be spot-on. And you've even deduced how the mislabelling likely occured! Can I ask how you surmised it was Spa, Co. Tipperary rather than Spa, Co. Down? Or would that like a magician revealing their secrets? Will we just imagine that, as https://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02 implied the other week, you have the ability to "sniff the location through the screen"? :)
guliolopez
Wow! Amazing stuff Sharon. Seems spot on to me also. It also looks like there is actually a connection to Co. Down. Which may further explain the mislabelling. The Johnston's (including Terence) were from Co. Down. Or at least they were there for the 1901 and 1911 censuses. Terence was undoubtedly born in Co. Down. Also, "Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland" gives Terence's father as follows (explaining both where the "Greer" came from, and further explaining how Spa, Co. Tipperary likely got conflated with Spa, Co. Down):
sharon.corbet
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/20727502@N00] I'm inclined to think that the error was even simpler than that, namely that The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co. Down was taken as the subject of the photo rather than Terence G. Johnston's address. Raheen House was connected to the Greer family, though at least according to the Raheen House website they had already sold it in 1873.. As to how I ended up in Tipperary, I'm not entirely sure of the exact path, but it involved finding Terence Johnston, and then looking for Raheen House (firstly around Ballynahinch, and then after rereading his father's address, in Co. Tipperary.)
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07 Brilliant!
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07 Impressed! Glad to see that this handsome building has survived and thrived.
DannyM8
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129555378@N07 Well done