Miss Joan Musgrave, elder, on horse, hair stripe in coat

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Where: Waterford, Ireland

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Miss Musgrave on her horse from the Poole collection. The well manicured lawn and gravel drive denote a "Big" house and privilege. Any bets on the name of the horse?

Our researchers traced this lady and discovered that she changed from Miss Musgrave to Mrs Joan Jameson (1892–1953). (The Jameson's of course of the noted whiskey distillers of Dublin.) She was an accomplished artist and exhibited many times in Dublin and London.

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Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Catalogue range 1901-1954. Likely in the middle of this range (given label (subject married in 1920) and age (possibly late teens or 20s here).

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 2278

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 07:40:58

    A probable possibility ? ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Jameson "Joan Jameson (4 October 1892 – 22 September 1953) was an Irish artist, known for paintings of still-life, figures and landscapes. ... ... Joan Jameson was born Joan Moira Maud, on 4 October 1892, in London. She was the eldest of the two daughters of Sir Richard John Musgrave, 5th Baronet, and Jesse Sophia. Her mother was the daughter of Robert Dunsmuir. Jameson was educated at home and in Paris, studying art at the Académie Julian. On 11 June 1920, she married Tom Jameson of Rock House, Ardmore, County Waterford. The couple lived in London until 1929, and on the death of Sir Richard, they returned to Tourin, Waterford. ... ... "

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 07:57:23

    The grandaughters who still live at Tourin - www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-jameson-sist... Trying to find a family likeness ...

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    B-59

    • 26/Jul/2016 07:58:02

    If so, she was the daughter of www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6895894695/

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Jul/2016 08:09:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Nice Dog

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Jul/2016 08:44:00

    Born in London, the eldest daughter of Sir Richard and Lady Musgrave of Tourin, Cappoquin, Co. Waterford, she was educated at the Sorbonne and studied art at the Académie Julian. She returned to Ireland in 1920 upon marriage to Captain T. O. Jameson, and from that time began submitting paintings to various English and Irish exhibitions. She held two solo shows at the Leicester Galleries, London, in 1933 and 1937, whilst also exhibiting with the Goupil Gallery and the Wertheim Gallery. In the 1940s she regularly submitted work to the IELA and exhibited with the Dublin Painters group. A close friend of Norah McGuinness (q.v.), who often stayed at the Jameson's home in Ardmore, Co. Waterford, Jameson painted in a modern idiom and was associated with those Irish painters influenced by "the French school". A retrospective in 1989, arranged by Sotheby's in conjunction with the Crawford Gallery, Cork, consisted mainly of works from her studio, and was exhibited both in Cork and in Dublin, at the RHA Gallagher Gallery From Whyte's Art & Collectables Auctions

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    Swordscookie

    • 26/Jul/2016 09:02:21

    Why "Miss Joan Musgrave, elder"? Miss Musgrave, elder would be grammatically correct IMHO???? I have yet to identify the hair stripe on her coat!

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 09:29:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] I think the NLI catalogue or Poole's "elder" is to distinguish from "Miss Dorothy Musgrave, younger, on horse" , who is not wearing a striped jacket - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592688 There is a frontal photo of Joan showing a young face - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000592683 . Thinking that all the photos may be February 1911 (when she was 19) rather than before 1920 when she married Tom Jameson (whiskey family), and changed her name. Or not ? !

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 09:35:10

    Some of Joan (Musgrave) Jameson's rather good artworks - www.artnet.com/artists/joan-jameson/past-auction-results My favourite is "Making the bed" - www.artnet.com/artists/joan-jameson/making-the-bed-nWhHWY...

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    Vab2009

    • 26/Jul/2016 09:57:14

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie There is a faint weave stripe in the fabric of her jacket, I think.

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    Vab2009

    • 26/Jul/2016 09:57:52

    I love her posture - as I sit up from my slouch in front of my laptop :-D

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    O Mac

    • 26/Jul/2016 10:04:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie https://www.flickr.com/photos/vab2009 The stripe is on the horses flank.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Jul/2016 10:46:17

    Joan Musgrave in the 1911 census

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Jul/2016 10:48:20

    Tourin Demesne on the 25" OSI map at GeoHive. I think there is a good chance that she is on the gravel drive near the house.

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    philipgmayer

    • 26/Jul/2016 10:56:54

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie I agree, unless there were two daughters named Joan ???

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 12:32:00

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ I bet the horse is called 'Stripes'.

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    Seuss.

    • 26/Jul/2016 14:29:01

    Is the horse wearing stockings?

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    La Belle Province

    • 26/Jul/2016 14:38:00

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I have to agree that her paintings are lovely.

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    ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq

    • 26/Jul/2016 22:20:51

    A side challenge for Flickroonies - does anyone know where this painting of hers is ? "View from a hill" - www.artnet.com/artists/joan-jameson/view-from-a-hill-2_7G... . I want to go there via Google Earth ! EDIT - Found two years later - goo.gl/maps/LX6C8NMxCCR2 thanks to this flickr photo www.flickr.com/photos/ni-c/38391151362/

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 27/Jul/2016 02:19:30

    The horse is called Green Whimsy.

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    B-59

    • 27/Jul/2016 08:27:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Nice dog indeed, but I meant the man, not the dog ;)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jul/2016 10:54:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I think that might be somewhere near Ballyvaughan, but I cant find a suitable streetview.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 31/Jul/2016 21:59:56

    Great stuff as usual - Thanks all. Based on the dates, age and marriage, I'm inclined to think this Poole shot dates to around the 1920s mark. What do we think? As regards location, based on the other images in the Poole/Musgrave commission set, I'm inclined to agree with https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley that this may be taken at Tourin. So much so that I've updated the map. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] - Can you let us know how you come by the name of the horse? Do you have a source, or is it an (uncoloured) whimsy of your own? ;)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 01/Aug/2016 00:35:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Pure whimsy of course!

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    La Belle Province

    • 01/Aug/2016 01:10:46

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hurrah for whimsy!

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    Dr. Ilia

    • 02/Aug/2016 08:00:18

    masterful capture

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    MichaelMusgrove

    • 07/Oct/2016 14:34:39

    She has no legs...the horse has no tail...what's going on!?

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    Swordscookie

    • 07/Oct/2016 18:37:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/michaelmusgrove She is sitting side saddle and her legs are on the opposite side. The horses tail was most likely "docked" that is cut up close to the root! I could never see the sense of it myself!

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    philipgmayer

    • 07/Oct/2016 19:29:25

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie I was going to give a similar answer until I realised it wasn't a serious question. :- (