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An unusual Poole photo for you today. Our catalogue states that this is the Duke of Devonshire fishing, I presume he is fishing on the Munster Blackwater, unless of course you know something different....

While perhaps still none-the-wiser on the embellishments to today's image, today's contributors (and especially O Mac, Niall McAuley, BeachcomberAustralia & ofarrl) have confirmed that this image was likely taken between 1901 and 1908. When Spencer Cavendish was 8th Duke of Devonshire. The consensus is that the image was taken on the Munster Blackwater - if not close to the family's seat at Lismore, then perhaps slightly downstream....


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: c.1901 -1954. Though likely c.1901-1908

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 1397

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    O Mac

    • 27/Jun/2016 07:38:51

    Really fishy is right. Some really bad scraping and scratching. You're probably right about it being the Blackwater. There's another Poole where Lismore Castle is in the background. The nearest Google go is the nearby N72 where I think we see the same sloping hill in the distance. Streetview Somewhere here maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,605227,598959,11,9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jun/2016 07:39:04

    8th was Duke from 1891-1908. 9th from March 1908-1936 10th from 1938-1950. 11th from 1950-2004

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jun/2016 07:41:07

    I think the gent with the rod and beard is Spencer Compton Cavendish, the 8th Duke, so 1901-1908. Early use of photoshop to add a fish that was "this big".

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Jun/2016 07:49:18

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Are all fishermen liars or do all liars fish?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jun/2016 08:03:04

    His Dukeship was patron of "Lismore College" in 1901-1905, William Wright was headmaster.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Jun/2016 08:07:55

    I have just added "Lieutenant Storey (or more likely Stoney?)" to our 50,000+ Views Album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/11794701355/stats/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jun/2016 08:31:50

    There are hits in the Irish Times Archive on 24th and 27th of March 1908 for "Duke at Lismore"

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Jun/2016 08:48:54

    Also on the 24th is "The late Duke's Career", so the articles about Lismore are looking back after his death. Someone with a subscription might find some dates?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Jun/2016 09:39:20

    This is Quite Interesting, although it must refer to a previous Duke of Devonshire -

    ... In the celebrated fishery action of 'Devonshire v. O'Neill', which was fought out and in of all the Irish Courts, with the greatest Irish Bars, and ultimately in the House of Lords, the Duke claimed, under a patent from Henry II, to restrain O'Neill and the other fishermen from fishing in the Irish Rhine; but unfortunately for his Grace, the courts decided that Henry II was rather premature with his patent, and granted it during the reign of King Roderick O'Connor. So the Duke lost, and O'Neill and the other fishermen rejoiced exceedingly.
    From trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/111321939 (1892) Edit: I think the case was in 1882 (ie the previous Duke) but I don't begin to understand the legalese - swarb.co.uk/neill-v-duke-of-devonshire-hl-1882/ Also in the NLI - sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_026927

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 27/Jun/2016 10:09:05

    Wikipedia has good articles about Spencer Compton Cavendish, 8th Duke of Devonshire, KG GCVO PC PC (23 July 1833 – 24 March 1908); his mistress Catherine Walters aka "Skittles"; and his wife who was previously married to the Duke of Manchester, and was known as the "Double Duchess" !! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spencer_Cavendish,_8th_Duke_of_Devo... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Walters en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisa_Cavendish,_Duchess_of_Devons...

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    guliolopez

    • 27/Jun/2016 11:22:59

    I for one can't fault the logic that this is the 8th Duke (putting it before 1908), and that it's on the Blackwater by Lismore Castle. Well done https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] and https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley. The Wikipedia articles that https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia links also make for interesting reading - especially those on Catherine Walters and the Double Duchess :)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 27/Jun/2016 12:58:42

    that's quite the fishing rod. Gentleman at the right has a gaff hook, so that's a fairly large fish.

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    ofarrl

    • 27/Jun/2016 14:13:14

    The river in the photo looks much wider then the Blackwater is at Lismore near the castle. This is more likely downstream from Cappoquin, possibly somewhere near Dromana.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 27/Jun/2016 22:45:17

    Thanks all. Indeed I forgot that we met the Duke of Devonshire (and his household at Lismore) in another Poole image from around the same period. Seems pretty cut and dried that this image is of the same man - Spencer Cavendish, the 8th duke - possibly within a few years of the image taken at the door to Lismore Castle. Below. Still not sure why the studio felt the need to "embellish" the image - perhaps part of the commission. While perhaps slightly downstream as [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] suggests, I've mapped this to the same location as the other Lismore/Cavendish/Devonshire images.... www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9021821673/

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    silverio10

    • 27/Jun/2016 23:03:21

    Buenas fotos antiguas .