Y-junction with people - is Newcastle, County Down

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Where: Northern Ireland, Down, United Kingdom

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When: 01 January 1880

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"Y-junction with people, wooded and bare hills in background mile post '4 miles' outside large suburban style villa at junction"

After declaring "Over to you!", another look at the mile post (via megazoom) suggested that the orientation in the catalogue is incorrect, so we flipped the image to correct it here witin a few minutes of first posting. It is now done

Almost as quickly, and likely without the benefit of the orientation fix, sharon.corbet identified this as Eastern Lodge at the junction of King Street and the Promenade in Newcastle, County Down.


Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: Between 1860 and 1883 (possibly latter half of this range per dating of house to 1870s)

NLI Ref: STP_2236

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Jun/2016 09:56:54

    Streetview?

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    Vab2009

    • 07/Jun/2016 09:59:28

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Oh yes!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:04:43

    There's some information available on "Eastern Lodge/Villa" at the History of Newcastle, Co. Down Facebook, including pictures of the inside, and a couple of pictures of the house over the years. Eastern Villa (later called eastern Lodge) was built around the late 1870s by H Smyth JP, who was a civil engineer and the County Surveyor. He built it with a water tower that ingeniously collected water by gravity, piped from further up the mountain. Mr Smyth lived here until the mid 1890s, when it was taken over by Daniel McCartan, a solicitor, and Clerk of the Town Council. He was still living there in 1918.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:04:44

    It looks like Wicklow.... Think the mountain is the Sugar Loaf. At a guess it is one of the many roads around that area. The style of house is correct.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:07:53

    Oops! I was wrong then, sorry!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:13:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Explain yourself - how? and so quickly.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:13:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Impressive! I had no clue, like https://www.flickr.com/photos/apl-irl I thought it looked a bit Wicklowy.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:13:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] PS - Well done

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    sharon.corbet

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:17:44

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/apl-irl] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I actually thought Enniskerryish myself, but nothing looked right, including the mountain shapes. I then went investigating similar numbered photos till I found one with a location...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:27:22

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Very good. Now, what is the name of the girl on the right?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:28:40

    Location Identified Klaxon sounding as I type.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Jun/2016 10:38:38

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Some of the shots on that facebook page look like they are in the nli archive, such as this one. The buildings up the hill look to have changed. This archive shot matches the buildings up the hill in a facebook shot which is clearly later, as it has a 1926ish car. Today's shot is before 6 King Street was built or altered (the house with the bay window up the hill in the archive/facebook pics).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Jun/2016 11:21:42

    Here is the DIA bio of Mr. Smyth - the only reference to this house is that Smyth was living here in 1891, and died here in 1894. He was certainly living here when this photo was taken.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 07/Jun/2016 12:12:50

    A Half Assed Google (HAG) suggests Smyth was born in 1812, married in 1854.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 07/Jun/2016 12:26:04

    Ooo ... There's a whirlpool bath in the main bathroom! - www.ulsterpropertysales.co.uk/-eastern-lodge-2-king-stree...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 07/Jun/2016 21:08:26

    Puzzled by the mile-stone. The one here seems to say "4 MILES" - yet the stone at the later photo catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000321155 says "1 MILE". Something has moved!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Jun/2016 14:01:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I noticed that too. I think it may be that Newcastle became "big" enough to rate being a destination with mile posts.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 08/Jun/2016 14:47:16

    4.5 miles (near enough for milestones) gets you all the way to Dundrum. 1 mile gets you to this junction in Newcastle.

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    nuelmatrocas

    • 10/Jun/2016 07:04:47

    espectacular foto !!! compa