12:07 in Dalkey

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Main Street, Dalkey, Co. Dublin

The lad with the basket on the left, looks very like the lad with the basket in the photograph from Gorey :)

The leafy suburb of Dalkey beckons and requires your attention. Your comments as always will be as welcome as the lovely weather we are experiencing at the moment.

With thanks to today's contributors, including some interesting insight from RETRO STU on the tram pictured, we feel confident in refining the date range on this to the first decade of the 20th century (knocking the 5 decade span down to just a 5 year span).....


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Likely c. 1905-1911

NLI Ref: L_CAB_03980

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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    B-59

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:15:08

    Streetview 2014: goo.gl/maps/nCkJsRG27e42

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:42:49

    12:07 (see note if you can). The same clock is still there on No.37 Roche's SuperValu.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:44:23

    Datewise, the Dalkey tram was electrified in July 1896.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:47:22

    GeoHive 25" OSI map

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:50:12

    The NIAH lets us down today.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:53:07

    On the right, beside the tram, I see the Public Library, which opened in April 1902 per the DIA

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 07:57:06

    We are very near the end of the line - the tram depot is behind the bank on the left. The tram tracks into the depot are still there in Streetview.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Jun/2016 08:07:47

    Patrick Farrell, publican and James Doherty, draper, are both in the 1911 Census at 45 and 47 Castle St. Neither is in the 1901 census for Castle St.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 08:27:02

    In the 1911 census, I see Doherty, and Farrell as at right here. The shop between them is Goggin here, but is To Let, the census says Plunkett.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 08:38:43

    Beside the Bank and tram depot in 1901 and 1911 is Edward Carthy, Draper, but he is 83 in 1911. I can't quite make out that shopfront here (F.C Ryan? F O'Bryan?), but it certainly isn't J. Carthy. The date must be after 1911. [Edit: See below!]

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Jun/2016 09:12:16

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley To be honest, it looks like it could be "E. CARTHY" to me.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Jun/2016 09:19:40

    These might help... View to the rear at 12:18 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318468 and reverse view at 12:22 - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318469

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 09:20:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That's mad! I couldn't see it earlier, and now it is obviously E. Carthy! So, could still be either before or after 1911... I think Goggin/Plunkett suggests this is before 1911 (and Goggin was before Plunkett) but it is not definitive.

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    CHG PRO PHOTOGRAPHY incorporating the APL archives

    • 02/Jun/2016 09:31:38

    I was in Dalkey yesterday as it happens, in the great weather, had lunch at the Tramyard cafe, climbed the Hill and got some great panoramic photographs....

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    Foxglove

    • 02/Jun/2016 09:44:19

    is this from the dalkey archives? :-)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jun/2016 10:01:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/foxglove Maybe. I will ask Flann O'Brien!

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    RETRO STU

    • 02/Jun/2016 10:01:53

    Tram No. 257 was built by the Dublin United Transport Company (DUTC) in 1901 and fitted with its DUTC top cover in 1905. This photo has to be post-1905. Notice the shamrock mounted on the upper front, that was the the Dalkey route symbol.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 10:24:39

    Select bar by Hall Door at Farrell's

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Jun/2016 10:26:18

    Reverse view in the archive. The reverse view features Cooper Cooney, which I see in the 1901 census but not 1911, which again suggests a pre-1911 date. With Stu's details on the tram, that would put us in 1905-1911.

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    Foxglove

    • 02/Jun/2016 12:16:05

    there are no bicycles leaning outside the pub!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jun/2016 15:25:15

    Dalkey - Wikipedia There is a nice piece in the above article about the election of the King of Dalkey in 1787, the official title of the King was as follows. "King of Dalkey, Emperor of the vikings (ringrose), Prince of the Holy Island of Magee, Baron of Bulloch, Seigneur of Sandycove, Defender of the Faith and Respector of All Others, Elector of Lambay and Ireland's Eye, and Sovereign of the Most Illustrious Order of the Lobster and Periwinkle." The current "King" is the local sacristan, Finbarr Madden.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 02/Jun/2016 15:58:53

    Patrick Farrell (publican, 45 Castle Street) was up before the Beak in December 1907 for running a "Goose Club" - an illegal lottery. Apparently he'd had a warning from the police to stop the lottery and give the money back, but he went ahead with the draw regardless. Mr Farrell protested that the draw took place in a private house, not in his licensed premises, "and that he had no knowledge of any illegality in the matter". A Detective-officer Fegan kept arguing that this was a serious matter, but in the end, the judge imposed a fine of 20 shillings, and with no effect on Mr Farrell's license. (Wicklow Newsletter, 28 December 1907)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jun/2016 23:40:23

    Thanks all! https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]'s investigations on the tram itself were especially unexpected and welcome. Description/map/date/etc duly updated!

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    domenico milella

    • 03/Jun/2016 09:44:49

    Thanks and Congratulation for your beautiful Album.

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 04/Jun/2016 23:21:09

    and now . . flic.kr/p/dVfTru

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 04/Jun/2016 23:25:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8478960114/

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    jamica1

    • 07/Jun/2016 21:32:56

    I like that tram