Main Street, Midleton, Co. Cork

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A new week and we start off with a photo from the lovely town of Midleton. I think something looks staged in this one, what do you think?

With thanks in particular today to the contributions of Niall McAuley, derangedlemur, Carol Maddock, and guliolopez it is confirmed that the motor car pictured (IF789) was registered from c.1914 to John Joseph Walshe, who was bank manager of the Munster & Leinster Bank branch which dominates the right of the image. The 1911 census lists the Walshe household as including JJ Walshe, his wife Cicily (Nano) Walshe, and servants John Lynch and Janie Goggin. As they seem to be well aware of the shot being taken, it seems plausible that there may have been an association with the photographer (supporting our theory that this isn't quite a candid shot). And seems equally likely that at least some of those listed in this census are pictured at the open door of the bank, and almost certainly in the car itself (where intriguingly we note that the man in chauffeur garb is sitting in the back seat!)

Thanks also to beachcomberaustralia for info on the likely car model and on the corner of "Goose's Acre" in the immediate foreground....


Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Eason Photographic Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1900-1939. Likely >1914 based on car reg (but perhaps not too much later)

NLI Ref: EAS_0945

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    derangedlemur

    • 30/May/2016 07:24:11

    Odd that the chauffeur is in the back seat of the car (unless he's the milkman, which would be even odder).

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    derangedlemur

    • 30/May/2016 07:29:34

    The 25" was surveyed in June 1897, so the Munster and Leinster bank doesn't match up at all with what's visible here, which was built in 1899.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/May/2016 07:29:41

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Our earliest female driver?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 08:04:33

    The NIAH dates the bank at 1901. The DIA says 'just completed' Jan 1902.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 08:21:14

    The car reg. is not much help: IF 1 to IF 9999 (Dec 1903 – Apr 1935);, but why is the lady owner driving, while the uniformed chauffeur sits in the back? Posing for the camera?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 08:25:33

    Two doors down from the bank is a Post Office (not on the OS 25"). Built c. 1910 per the NIAH. DIA confirms completed Feb 1910.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 30/May/2016 08:40:14

    According to our trusty Irish Motor Directory, this car was registered to one James J. Walsh of the Munster & Leinster Bank in Midleton. The reg. numbers don't go that high in the 1912-13 directory. This car first appears in 1914-15, and is still registered to Mr Walsh in the 1915-16 directory.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 08:46:49

    According to the Motor Directory for 1911-12, the IFs in Cork only ran to 434 at that time.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 30/May/2016 08:52:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley And had risen to 640 by 1912-13.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 08:56:57

    Comment overlap with Carol, who found the 14-15 motor directory first. But you too can look at it here!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 09:13:33

    In 1911, James J. Walsh was a single Bank Official living at home in Waterford. [Edit - this is a different J. J. Walsh, Bank Official!] He was managing this Bank in 1913. Hmm, the 1910 Guys says he was manager then, too.

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    guliolopez

    • 30/May/2016 09:32:09

    That the chauffeur is in the back certainly looks unusual - the young lad to the left with the hurley also seems intrigued. Everyone else is about their business as usual - though the pinafored lady at the side door of the Munster and Leinster is also seemingly aware of the photographer. Given that only a handful of people (driver, chauffeur, bank peeper) seem to be aware of the photographer, and (per https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] & https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley) all of them would seem to have a connection to the Munster and Leinster, one imagines there could have been a commission involved here... Personally I don't have much to add to the dating/context on Midleton (last time I was in Midleton twas to visit the second of the two buildings on the left of Main St which have dormer windows. Nice woodfired pizza. Not especially helpful in dating/expanding this image. But welcome at the time.....)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/May/2016 09:58:48

    Should I be surprised that a Bank Manager at the time had a chauffeur? https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I know we have seen many hurling teams and one photo from a hurling game on this stream previously, from memory this young man may be our first "urban" hurler?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 10:04:06

    Is that a Barber's pole at left, #2? In 1911, Edward White, Hairdressor was here. On the Buildings form, #111 is a Bank, and John Joseph Walsh is head of family residing. Aha! The other J. J. Walsh was a red herring, here is Mr. Walsh(e)., recorded as John Joseph, not James. And we see his Wife, Cicily N. (surely that is her driving!), and two servants, John Lynch and Janie Goggin, candidates for the milkman and doorpeeper.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 10:12:31

    There are two ladies in the doorway of Egan's on the left (#4), in 1911 Margaret Egan was a Vintner, and Lizzie Heaphy a barmaid.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 10:44:19

    Here is JJ Walshe in 1901, his wife gave her name as Nano! Jane Goggin went with them from Bantry to Midleton between 1901 and 1911.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/May/2016 10:52:18

    Does not help with the date, but interestingly there is an Augustus Pugin connection. The architect of the red-brick bank, George Coppinger Ashlin, married Pugin's daughter Mary. And Pugin designed a pair of houses (now McDaid's bar) seen at the far left of the street - goo.gl/maps/9UF8VsdJfyP2 More info including THIS PHOTO half way down the page - midletonwith1d.wordpress.com/2015/06/25/an-east-cork-myst... . And a more recent update - midletonwith1d.wordpress.com/category/pugin/

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/May/2016 11:05:57

    And from the same blog, different page, THIS PHOTO has the annotation ... ... The point of grass in the foreground is part of the Goose’s Acre, a plot where the townspeople set their geese out to graze. The site depicted here is now occupied by the Clonmult Monument designed by the sculptor Seamus Murphy.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 30/May/2016 13:48:50

    This shot in the archive is after the bank is built, but before the Post Office. The plasterwork on the gable opposite (on our left) has also been redone.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 30/May/2016 21:56:49

    Does anyone recognize the make and model of the car ? [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/27359940595/]From catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000556770 via megazoom™

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 30/May/2016 22:25:59

    Brilliant stuff today! Have tried to summarise in the description. Thanks so much everyone - and perhaps keep the motor directories to hand - they may come in handy again in the coming days.... :)

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    derangedlemur

    • 31/May/2016 06:31:32

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia It seems to have a 5-letter name on the radiator, but it's not a Riley. Every other 5-letter brand seems to be massively obscure and only produced for about ten minutes just after lunchtime on may 26th 1903 or similar.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 31/May/2016 07:38:50

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I squinted at those letters and switched on my imagination ... ... ... B S A I think I can call BINGO or is there a KLAXON, with reference to this wiki article - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSA_cars - and particularly the hi-res version of this photo of a 1912 model, particularly the octagonal radiator, badge, and three knobs on the bonnet - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BSA_(1392734686).jpg I previously only knew BSA for motorbikes ...

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    derangedlemur

    • 31/May/2016 08:01:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looks like it, alright. Well done. There is, presumably, a MOTOR HORN, rather than a BINGO or KLAXON.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 31/May/2016 09:25:06

    Great stuff [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] & [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] - The motor horn is duly sounded (and tags/description amended)

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    juantoo34

    • 09/Mar/2017 01:13:34

    B.S.A. Open Tourer 1912 [upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/B.S.A._Open_T...]

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 20/May/2020 07:31:53

    There is another 'Eason' photo of this corner, earlier in the day and a few years before the vegetation at bottom right grew up the bank. It has the "Horgan Youghal" imprint on it still. I wonder if Horgan Bros were responsible for more or any of these blacked-out-signature photos around Co. Cork c. 1915 ? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000047303/Home

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Jul/2021 17:03:42

    Here is the record of the marriage of John Walshe and Nano Haggerty in 1895.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Jul/2021 05:33:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thany you. Mary