The Square, Fermoy, Co. Cork

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Another angle on the Square, Fermoy with our backs to the River Blackwater. We have seen this square before but usually looking out across the bridge. It is surprising to see how dominated the town is by the convent and church buildings on the heights.

With thanks to today's contributors, though we've visited the square before, we learned a little more about the history of the Loreto Convent in the background, and the businesses on Queen's Square in the foreground. Appreciation is due in particular to Niall McAuley for his investigations that allow us to narrow the 50 year catalogue range (1860s-1910s) to a decade or so (1880s-1890s)...


Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range ca.1865-1914. Refined to ca.1884-1893 per comments below.

NLI Ref: L_CAB_04039

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    O Mac

    • 16/May/2016 07:48:11

    It was taken before 1908 ...see date on building www.google.ie/maps/@52.1381891,-8.2752926,3a,53.4y,102.73...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 08:17:31

    I think it is before the 1899 provincial Bank, too, now the AIB.

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    Rory_Sherlock

    • 16/May/2016 08:31:04

    I think this image pre-dates the L_ROY_00062 image posted by Sharon Corbet - Note the differences in the facade of the large 12-bay block at the top of the square. In this image, the facade is fairly plain and the two bays at either end have old 6-over-6 Georgian sashes. In L_ROY_00062, the windows are all updated to one-pane-per sash, plaster hood mouldings have been placed over the windows in the central 4 bays and the 4 bays on the right, and a balustrade has been installed on top of the building at the right - that's still there (see Streetview provided by O Mac). Mannix's shop in the older image is replaced by O'Brien's in L_ROY_00062.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 08:47:14

    On the far side of the square at right, we see Mannix and Smith, in Sharon's shot above we saw O'Brien and Eager. I think this one is earlier...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 09:41:26

    Per the DIA, Loreto was completed (as seen here) in 1873, so that is an earliest date.

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    AndyBrii

    • 16/May/2016 09:48:53

    You pointed out how ..” surprising to see how dominated the town is by the convent and church buildings (Loreto Secondary School) on the heights!” In Australia (and some other countries), the Catholic Church adopted, as a matter of strategic policy in the 19th century, to buy and develop convent, schools and church buildings on the heights in hills in cities and towns. Something to do with looking up to see Christ as the head of the Church (and the Catholic influence!) They left the Anglican and another Protestant denominations alone in its wake!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 10:05:17

    T. Mannix at left here is 58 in 1901, 30 at the earliest possible date, no help. D. Hayes likewise, 58 in 1901. Eliza Cotter is less help, 65 in 1901.

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    RETRO STU

    • 16/May/2016 10:26:43

    Here's an old silver school badge of Loreto College, Fermoy. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/25877305430/in/photolist-8npv4P-FqFXms

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 10:43:54

    Slaters directory from 1880 is here. John Cotter is a Grocer/publican on Queen's Square (Eliza is Head of Family by 1901). Thomas Mannix was on King St, (new earliest date!) Hayes and John Mannix, Drapers, are on Queen Square.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 10:51:26

    the 1883 Guy's has T Mannix on King St. Likewise 1884. by 1891, T. Mannix is on Queen Sq, as in this image. New earliest date is 1884.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 11:04:24

    M. Smith, Fermoy, is still keeping the National hotel in 1893. By 1897, Wm Eager is running the National hotel, so that is a latest date.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 11:25:04

    The medical hall at right is run by Dr R Williams, apothecary, present in 1893. By 1893, Mrs. Mannix the draper has moved to Newmarket Street, and O'Brien the draper is in Queen Sq. New latest date 1893.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 11:54:43

    So 1884-1893. Every name visible here is in the 1891 Guy's.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 12:07:17

    Thomas Fox and H. A. Daniels are referenced in Strattens of 1892, from which we learn Daniels is here since 1862, and T. Fox since 1877.

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    guliolopez

    • 16/May/2016 12:45:03

    Is that a(nother) RIC mounted constable in the left foreground?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/May/2016 13:08:26

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think all of the RIC constables used to wear pillbox hats until the turn of the century.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2016 22:15:24

    Thanks all - especially https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley for the date refining efforts! Description/map/etc all updated.