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Where: Donegal, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1900

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We've travelled further afield for our next image of "Clarke Week". Based on the poster in the shot it seems clear that we're close to Bundoran, County Donegal. The bucket and spade and sun-hats might suggest a link with previous beach scenes of Clarke's. But given how different it seems from a modern seaside outing, do we think that's what's pictured?

First up today bhatto asked, what the South Asian lady pictured would be doing in Bundoran at the turn of the last century? An interesting question indeed. DannyM8 tells us that over 3,600 people in the 1901 census claim to have been born in India and he suggests that some of them must be Indian Nationals?

Niall McAuley goes further and identifies a Hindu Woman named Ayah Kumaria. She is 40 years old, a Children's Nurse, she can read and write english and is married. Is it possible that this is the lady in the photo? eyelightfilms Tells us "Ayah isn't a name, but rather a job description. Indian word for a nanny or child minder. Here's my father, somewhere in India, in a pram with his "Ayah" back in 1927".

AndyBrii Identifies the poster as belonging to James Flynn, Leather Merchant, Bundoran, He also tells us that Mr Flynn died on 5 August 1909.

Photographer: J.J. (John J.) Clarke

Collection: Clarke Photographic Collection

Date: Circa 1897-1904

NLI Ref: CLAR86

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    bhatto

    • 14/Oct/2015 09:28:47

    Can any one please explain who that South Asian lady could be doing there? Were there many like her in Ireland seventy or so many years ago?

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    AndyBrii

    • 14/Oct/2015 09:35:44

    Poster on wall: James Flynn, Leather Merchant, Bundoran - died 5th Aug 1909: His Will from National Archives : www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014916...

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    Vab2009

    • 14/Oct/2015 10:23:06

    The colour of the wee girl's skirt makes me think she is not working. Is the Asian lady a nanny? Everyone else looks so finely dressed that they seem to be engaging in the Victorian pastime of indulging in fresh air and outdoor walking. It does look like a holiday pastime.

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Oct/2015 10:56:29

    We might be looking at the other side of this house: www.google.ie/maps/@54.4809727,-8.2778465,3a,75y,249.85h,... I'm not sure the chimneys are right though. OSI seems a reasonable match: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,582081,859222,11,9

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    Niall McAuley

    • 14/Oct/2015 11:56:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I think you have it, see the house in the distance (breaking the horizon) with the odd gable in this streetview You can see the arrangement of windows matches in this one Definitely right on the beach...

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:04:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Good follow-up. I think we're right.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:09:06

    No James Flynn in 1911, but here he is in 1901, aged 59. Listed as a Shop (Grocery) in the buildings form?

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    derangedlemur

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:22:16

    Another useful link from https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljim46 there. I never knew there was such a thing before.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:24:09

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] and [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] - I think that establishes the location. We'll update the map accordingly. Based on confirmation of location it seems plausible that this photo was taken by Clarke at the same time an image we had previously. Below. The catalogue numbers are even consecutive: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/16437304097/

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    Niall McAuley

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:38:44

    A general search for Hindu on site:http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie gives two (2!) hits: Ayah Kumaria 40 Female Servant Hindu India Children's Nurse Read and write English Married Higgins Elizabeth 22 Female - Hindu This obviously isn't Miss Higgins...

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    DannyM8

    • 14/Oct/2015 12:41:13

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] In the 1911 Census there were over 400 ladies between the ages of 35 and 45 that were born in India. Lots of these would have been born to Irish parents, but some I would think must have been Indian Nationals. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_... Overall 3600 people in the census were born in India.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 14/Oct/2015 13:52:06

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] India at the time would have been bigger than modern India, including Pakistan and Bangladesh.

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    moccasinlanding

    • 14/Oct/2015 15:57:26

    What is the object in the right foreground? Is it an animal hide? And could it be connected to the dark skinned woman accompanying the young girl in the foreground not far away? I agree she could be the nanny taking the young girl for a day at the beach, she has those blankets or throws like beach blankets....what other reason to carry them, unless she is a weaver selling her wares--but she seems not to engage the nicely dressed walkers.

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    M0GNM

    • 14/Oct/2015 16:01:10

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/angeljim46 Yes, his advertising poster on the wall

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    M0GNM

    • 14/Oct/2015 16:02:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/moccasinlanding The child is carrying a bucket and spade so probably on the way to or from the beach

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    eyelightfilms

    • 14/Oct/2015 16:52:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] I can't find Kumaria on the census site at all, but just wanted to say that Ayah isn't a name, but rather a job description. Indian word for a nanny or child minder. Here's my father, somewhere in India, in a pram with his "Ayah" back in 1927. www.flickr.com/photos/eyelightfilms/6471391783/in/album-7... books.google.co.uk/books?id=rcjmiBm8hHQC&pg=PA42&... books.google.co.uk/books?id=mNwWYFYtqqQC&pg=PA72&...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Oct/2015 17:25:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/eyelightfilms] See here: www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke...

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    bhatto

    • 15/Oct/2015 13:59:54

    Thank you very much Danny. Interesting information.

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    fraser donachie

    • 15/Oct/2015 22:08:08

    ... like an historic Chris Killip - super image ...

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    bhatto

    • 17/Oct/2015 13:29:43

    Niall, Try Kumari. That is an appellation like Ms and can also be a surname.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Feb/2016 10:41:05

    Here is the direct census link to Ayah Kumaria. I also tried a general census search for anyone Female from India with any Other religion. 58 results, none better. Any Female Nurse from India, any religion, no better hits. Any Female Servant from India, no better hits. Against this lady being the Ayah in the 1911 census: the lady in the census works for the widowed Florence Salkeld who has 2 boys, Cecil and Laurence. The child in this photo looks like a girl to me.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Feb/2016 11:40:32

    Mrs. Salkeld was a widow in 1911, presumably the widow of HL Salkeld, district collector in Dacca, who died young "of natural causes" in 1909.

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    bhatto

    • 05/Feb/2016 11:45:08

    That explains it all. This lady came over with the Salkeld family then. Most interesting. Thank you Niall. You have been most persistent, and succeeded.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Feb/2016 11:59:24

    Hello, Blánaid Salkeld! Henry Salkeld died in 1909 and Florence returned to Dublin, where she rented a flat at 50 Marlborough Road from the parents of Joseph Plunkett, living there with her children Cecil and Laurence and three Indian and Irish servants. Cecil, 6 in the 1911 census, became a well known artist as Cecil ffrench Salkeld, and was the father of Beatrice, Brendan Behan's wife.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Feb/2016 12:27:23

    [if only we could establish that the ffrench Salkelds once holidayed in Bundoran!] Cecil was in Donegal at least once, painting: Cecil Ffrench Salkeld (1904-1969) Malin Town, Co.Donegal, c.1945 (The Irish American Cultural Institute's O'Malley Collection at the University of Limerick) Errigal?