For today we have a real Lawrence photograph of Dalkey, and its beautiful village and harbour on Dublin's southside. The view which, as the community points-out, hasn't changed that much in the intervening years (Streetview).
This is fabulous and apart from a few pointers not so different from all I knew as a child in the 50's!
O Mac
22/Sep/2015 15:35:18
and don't forget the Muglins
ken Dowdall
22/Sep/2015 16:36:05
The road layout has changed a lot.
patrick.vickers1
22/Sep/2015 17:15:17
I had not realised that the Tower was on an island until I had a look on Google Maps. Very nice area. some very nice houses and the terrace looks in great condition. And the road layout is very clear. And a lovely view across the bay, looking at the Wicklow Hills.
Reconstructing Light
22/Sep/2015 19:45:03
Looks fabulous here.....
patrick.vickers1
22/Sep/2015 20:48:50
Is that a walkway along the cliff face, and an entrance or two ? to the houses above ?
BeachcomberAustralia
22/Sep/2015 21:29:50
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/patvic67] I think the secret entrance might have been used for smuggling goat's cheese and tight seals to tupperware parties.
:-)
The house above with a hipped roof, Sorrento Cottage, was the home of Sir Francis Brady until 1909 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/170911819 - which might get the genius genealogists going ...
Preciosa foto escogida para el día de hoy en los explore.
Enhorabuena.
Saludos desde España.
charlottedlch
23/Sep/2015 20:26:06
superb
GermaPh
23/Sep/2015 21:35:28
Wow
O Mac
24/Sep/2015 20:56:25
Re: The long house in distance top left corner.. This is now 'Monte Alverno'..
"The house's history is extensive, dating back to the 1800's. The house actually began as two separate houses. The properties were named No. 1 and No. 2 Alverno and were built by the father of Mr. Alexander Conan, who adored the unrivaled position of the land. He built two houses as he wanted one a as a summer home and one house to let out. A barrister named Sir Edward Carson resided in the rental house c. 1880. Alexander Conan thoroughly renovated the two properties in 1895, combining them into one, named 'Monte Alverno'. This was the time at which the now unified property was castellated and given wood paneled walls, custom cabinetry and furniture by renowned Robert Strahan of Dublin."
The photograph shows the houses before they were unified and castellated in 1895.
dublinestates.blogspot.ie/2012/02/monte-alverno-sorrento-...
Correction.
I'd sooner trust the DIA, and their records show that there were extensive works done between 1900 and 1905.
www.dia.ie/works/view/32698/building/CO.+DUBLIN%2C+DALKEY...
So Pre 1900.
Niall McAuley
25/Sep/2015 17:45:19
Monte Alverno (one house) is shown on the 1907 25" map.
O Mac
25/Sep/2015 19:57:18
The house over the tunnel portal is called Baymount on the
25" OSI. There is a man working on the roof of the porch and other signs that the house is having extensive work done. Rubble, no glass in back portion. fresh plaster marks etc.
In April 1901 Baymount ( House no 5 ) was occupied by the Quirk family......Hugh Greffeth Quirk being a Master Mariner and Teacher of Narigatior. He was elected a fellow of the British Astronomical Association in 1895 while showing his address as Baymount, Vico Road.
Considering he had a family of 5 and servant I would suggest the photograph had to been taken before they all moved in when all the work was done?? Pre 1895.
The photograph shows the lot next door is vacant ...the map shows a house called Malano there in 1907.
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] In this thesis on Sorrento Park. it's mentioned ----
"Certainly, by 1889 Saturday concerts by English regimental bands at Sorrento Hill between 7.30 and 9.30pm seem to have been common place though when exactly they started is uncertain."
"The unroofed character( of the bandstand) and the use of lampposts suggests a close affinity to the bandstand at Kingstown, which dates to 1890"
It would seen that a bandstand was well estabilsihed before the park was handed to trustees in 1894.
I would imagine that the type of people who owned these houses would have been first to get the telephone. There;s not a pole in sight ? Another reason I would have thought for it being the early 1890's
Thanks O Mac for the ref to the Chicago material. I accessed the collection online and there's some amazing material in there. Just to say this part of Dalkey has a complicated history which is very well documented in Liam Clare's book 'Enclosing the Commons'. It's a shabby tale of landgrabs and evictions where the original squatters on the Dalkey Stone Commons were forced or 'persuaded' out so 'development' could proceed. Added to this is the unique story of the creation of the Vico Road as pictured, largely the result of the efforts of one man Chippendall Higgen then resident in Killiney Castle. This was around 1880. Higgen is commerated by a concrete Celtic Cross on the hill overlooking his creation. This was a very public campaign supported by public subscription and the new road was ultimately delivered by Dalkey Town Commissionrs - also responsible for Coliemore Rd and the harbour.
patrick.vickers1
08/Oct/2015 08:37:27
I see that Van Morrisons wife who owns Kilross House feels that her view of Killiney Bay might be spoilt by work on Mount Alverno. Court case still ongoing.
patrick.vickers1
19/Nov/2015 17:40:59
It seems that the Morrisons had split up some years ago and the Mrs does not have the money to go on with the case.
O Mac
22/Jan/2016 06:09:47
This shot taken from further south is a mystery to me as I dont know from where it was taken. Growing up near Dalkey I know this area quite well so i know it cannot have been taken from the ground..There is none there. I had thought W.L might have been using kites but since the image is on a glass plate hardly. Balloon maybe. Any ideas?? The bush in the forground is false..
catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000333853
Owen J Fitzpatrick
18/May/2016 16:31:11
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]
Re: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000333853
Hi O Mac, Could the photo have been taken from the Vico View route down to White Rock Beach, just across the railway footbridge on the beach side? It's a commanding position. Best, Owen
O Mac
18/May/2016 21:45:41
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/owen_fitzpatrick] It's a bizaar photo. I know where you mean but there's no place there so high above the railway. Once over the bridge the land falls away as it does in the other "head lands" in that picture. A mystery.
You can see here....... in the picture with the yellow text boxes.
www.gsi.ie/Education/Sites+Walks+Field+Trips/Killiney+Bea...
O Mac
Streetview 25" OSI
Swordscookie
Stunning view, you can easily see why it is so desirable as a place for the wealthy to spend the short time they stay in the country!
BeachcomberAustralia
Reminded of those M.C. Escher impossible constructions drawings - the roads, paths, tunnels and stairs do not seem to make sense. Fascinating! www.mcescher.com/gallery/impossible-constructions/
patrick.vickers1
Is that a Martello Tower ?
John_A68
I have tried to shoot this scene a few times, fantastic to see a 100+ years old original.
Niall McAuley
https://www.flickr.com/photos/patvic67 Yes, there is a Martello tower on Dalkey island, built to protect the wild goats and seals.
Wendy:
This is fabulous and apart from a few pointers not so different from all I knew as a child in the 50's!
O Mac
and don't forget the Muglins
ken Dowdall
The road layout has changed a lot.
patrick.vickers1
I had not realised that the Tower was on an island until I had a look on Google Maps. Very nice area. some very nice houses and the terrace looks in great condition. And the road layout is very clear. And a lovely view across the bay, looking at the Wicklow Hills.
Reconstructing Light
Looks fabulous here.....
patrick.vickers1
Is that a walkway along the cliff face, and an entrance or two ? to the houses above ?
BeachcomberAustralia
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/patvic67] I think the secret entrance might have been used for smuggling goat's cheese and tight seals to tupperware parties. :-) The house above with a hipped roof, Sorrento Cottage, was the home of Sir Francis Brady until 1909 - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/170911819 - which might get the genius genealogists going ...
O Mac
https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Sorrento Cottage is now owned by U2's The Edge.
54StorminWillyGJ54
this is absolutely stunning
lizziehk18
Thank you for sharing this beautiful photo.
Siuloon
Hello! Congratulations, this is a beautiful photo:) Superb picture. Seen today in Explore, well done. Greetings from Poland.
Atarugá
Excellent composition indeed!
danieljoshuago
Great capture!
FrancescoRizzo1989
Nice shot! Check my works, you will appreciate them.
dazpar596
love that black n white composition
Axa_Sofia moments
Great capture !!! Preciosa fotografia !! Saludos .
Canadian Son
Congratulations on Explore!! :)
le cabri
Cool shot
Dr. Ilia
Tremendous Work!
I give yet another one.
Your photograph was seen in A Double Fave group.
robust form
An excellent picture. Seen today on Explore, congratulations to you.
rich lewis
Great capture
Luicabe
ℝakel_ℰlke ﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
Preciosa foto escogida para el día de hoy en los explore. Enhorabuena. Saludos desde España.
charlottedlch
superb
GermaPh
Wow
O Mac
Re: The long house in distance top left corner.. This is now 'Monte Alverno'.. "The house's history is extensive, dating back to the 1800's. The house actually began as two separate houses. The properties were named No. 1 and No. 2 Alverno and were built by the father of Mr. Alexander Conan, who adored the unrivaled position of the land. He built two houses as he wanted one a as a summer home and one house to let out. A barrister named Sir Edward Carson resided in the rental house c. 1880. Alexander Conan thoroughly renovated the two properties in 1895, combining them into one, named 'Monte Alverno'. This was the time at which the now unified property was castellated and given wood paneled walls, custom cabinetry and furniture by renowned Robert Strahan of Dublin." The photograph shows the houses before they were unified and castellated in 1895. dublinestates.blogspot.ie/2012/02/monte-alverno-sorrento-... Correction. I'd sooner trust the DIA, and their records show that there were extensive works done between 1900 and 1905. www.dia.ie/works/view/32698/building/CO.+DUBLIN%2C+DALKEY... So Pre 1900.
Niall McAuley
Monte Alverno (one house) is shown on the 1907 25" map.
O Mac
The house over the tunnel portal is called Baymount on the 25" OSI. There is a man working on the roof of the porch and other signs that the house is having extensive work done. Rubble, no glass in back portion. fresh plaster marks etc. In April 1901 Baymount ( House no 5 ) was occupied by the Quirk family......Hugh Greffeth Quirk being a Master Mariner and Teacher of Narigatior. He was elected a fellow of the British Astronomical Association in 1895 while showing his address as Baymount, Vico Road. Considering he had a family of 5 and servant I would suggest the photograph had to been taken before they all moved in when all the work was done?? Pre 1895. The photograph shows the lot next door is vacant ...the map shows a house called Malano there in 1907.
BeachcomberAustralia
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I am no expert on this, but would suggest the photo is after 1894, when Sorrento Park was opened to the public, according to this Sorrento House history - dublinestates.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/sorrento-house-1-so... . I am sure I can see the octagonal base of a topless (!!) bandstand, which is also seen in this Lawrence reverse view - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000320277/Image?lookfor=http:... . Thinking you would not build a bandstand before it was public ... or would you?
O Mac
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] In this thesis on Sorrento Park. it's mentioned ---- "Certainly, by 1889 Saturday concerts by English regimental bands at Sorrento Hill between 7.30 and 9.30pm seem to have been common place though when exactly they started is uncertain." "The unroofed character( of the bandstand) and the use of lampposts suggests a close affinity to the bandstand at Kingstown, which dates to 1890" It would seen that a bandstand was well estabilsihed before the park was handed to trustees in 1894. I would imagine that the type of people who owned these houses would have been first to get the telephone. There;s not a pole in sight ? Another reason I would have thought for it being the early 1890's
O Mac
This picture is from "Ireland in pictures by the Hon. John F. Finerty, of Chicago. Published by J. S. Hyland & Co. 1898" The castellated building on left is 'Monte Alverno' mentioned in previous comment. www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21550630638/in/datepos... So L_Roy_02188 has to be pre 1898....and a good while earlier considering the extent of the work involved in remodeling the original two houses.
mccabe_reg
Thanks O Mac for the ref to the Chicago material. I accessed the collection online and there's some amazing material in there. Just to say this part of Dalkey has a complicated history which is very well documented in Liam Clare's book 'Enclosing the Commons'. It's a shabby tale of landgrabs and evictions where the original squatters on the Dalkey Stone Commons were forced or 'persuaded' out so 'development' could proceed. Added to this is the unique story of the creation of the Vico Road as pictured, largely the result of the efforts of one man Chippendall Higgen then resident in Killiney Castle. This was around 1880. Higgen is commerated by a concrete Celtic Cross on the hill overlooking his creation. This was a very public campaign supported by public subscription and the new road was ultimately delivered by Dalkey Town Commissionrs - also responsible for Coliemore Rd and the harbour.
patrick.vickers1
I see that Van Morrisons wife who owns Kilross House feels that her view of Killiney Bay might be spoilt by work on Mount Alverno. Court case still ongoing.
patrick.vickers1
It seems that the Morrisons had split up some years ago and the Mrs does not have the money to go on with the case.
O Mac
This shot taken from further south is a mystery to me as I dont know from where it was taken. Growing up near Dalkey I know this area quite well so i know it cannot have been taken from the ground..There is none there. I had thought W.L might have been using kites but since the image is on a glass plate hardly. Balloon maybe. Any ideas?? The bush in the forground is false.. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000333853
Owen J Fitzpatrick
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Re: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000333853 Hi O Mac, Could the photo have been taken from the Vico View route down to White Rock Beach, just across the railway footbridge on the beach side? It's a commanding position. Best, Owen
O Mac
[https://www.flickr.com/photos/owen_fitzpatrick] It's a bizaar photo. I know where you mean but there's no place there so high above the railway. Once over the bridge the land falls away as it does in the other "head lands" in that picture. A mystery. You can see here....... in the picture with the yellow text boxes. www.gsi.ie/Education/Sites+Walks+Field+Trips/Killiney+Bea...
foundin_a_attic
www.flickr.com/photos/foundin_a_attic/48672469516