Republican prisoners captured during the attack on Passage West being marched to the Cork Gaol for detention
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Where: Cork, Ireland
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When: 01 January 1922
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Following from yesterday's related Hogan shot, here we see pro-treaty forces escorting anti-treaty prisoners following the Battle of Cork. Given the learnings yesterday, it seems possible that Hogan stood on the upper deck of a vessel (perhaps the same vessel we saw yesterday) to capture this image...
I was always of the opinion that the references to Cork as the "Rebel City" was related to this time in our history, it transpires that the colloquialism has a much earlier genesis.
In 1491 Cork played a part in the English Wars of the Roses when Perkin Warbeck, a pretender to the English throne, landed in the city and tried to recruit support for a plot to overthrow Henry VII of England. The Cork people fought with Perkin because he was French and not English, they were the only county in Ireland to join the fight. The Mayor of Cork and several important citizens went with Warbeck to England but when the rebellion collapsed they were all captured and executed. Cork's nickname of the "rebel city" originates in these events.
See: County Cork article on Wikipedia
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Contributors: Lawrence, William (1840-1932)
Collection: Hogan-Wilson Collection
Date: 1922
NLI Ref: HOGW 12
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I was always of the opinion that the references to Cork as the "Rebel City" was related to this time in our history, it transpires that the colloquialism has a much earlier genesis.
In 1491 Cork played a part in the English Wars of the Roses when Perkin Warbeck, a pretender to the English throne, landed in the city and tried to recruit support for a plot to overthrow Henry VII of England. The Cork people fought with Perkin because he was French and not English, they were the only county in Ireland to join the fight. The Mayor of Cork and several important citizens went with Warbeck to England but when the rebellion collapsed they were all captured and executed. Cork's nickname of the "rebel city" originates in these events.
See: County Cork article on Wikipedia
Photographer: W. D. Hogan
Contributors: Lawrence, William (1840-1932)
Collection: Hogan-Wilson Collection
Date: 1922
NLI Ref: HOGW 12
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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derangedlemur
Streetview: www.google.ie/maps/@51.8984025,-8.4610513,3a,75y,129.04h,...
derangedlemur
OSI: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,568290,571899,11,9
philipgmayer
Spot the only man NOT wearing a hat.
patrick.vickers1
The only prisoner not wearing a hat !
KenjiB_48
Do I see a couple of dapper toffs in bowlers behind the crowd...?
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Thanks all. The map is duly updated. What do we think about where Hogan was when he took this shot. Was he on one of the cranes marked on [https://www.flickr.com/photos/8468254@N02]'s OSI map? Or on the deck of one of the vessels discussed yesterday? My vote is for the latter...
guliolopez
Given the image which O Mac highlighted yesterday, it seems pretty clear/likely that Hogan took this photo from atop a vessel docked on Victoria/Kennedy Quay.
sam2cents
Absolutely fascinating - I've never seen this image before.
dorameulman
Fantastic image!
guliolopez
It doesn't expressly state, but I expect by "marching to Cork Gaol" we are referring to "Cork County Gaol" (Western Road). As "Cork City Gaol" (Sundays Well) was by this time used almost exclusively for female prisoners. If so then it is possible that one of the prisoners marching is Patrick Mangan - who within a month or so of this photo, he was shot by a sentry during an apparent escape attempt (wikipedia).
KenjiB_48
There are a couple of other hatless men in the group, at the left end :)
O Mac
www.flickr.com/photos/91549360@N03/22053989945/in/datepos... www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/8455666538/in/photolist-d... Same month but 48 years earlier. This photograph was taken but a shout away from where Hogan stood when he photographed the SS Arvonia after it had sailed around to Cork a few days after landing at Passage West on the 8th August 1922.. The SS Lady Wicklow had only one funnel. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000280472
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
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On the left of the picture was the original Terminus for the Cork Blackrock railway. The new terminus can be seen at the top center. The footbridge covers the line as there is no level crossing.
Sunny Harry
Time and tide waits for no man and this is the what the original terminus looked like a few months ago https://www.flickr.com/photos/frankcawley/20847663583
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silverio10
Buena serie de fotos antiguas .
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Brendan C.H.
Fantastic photo! There seems to be something especially interesting going on off to the right. One soldier is holding back a pair of women with his rifle while a man in civilian clothes (with his cap on backwards) appears to be turning around and gesturing with a small pistol in the direction of another soldier with a lowered rifle. Is some dramatic scene unfolding? Then again, plenty of folks (even some prisoners) are smiling nearby, so maybe my imagination's got the better of me.
patrick.vickers1
Three women are waving to the prisoners, two with hankerchiefs, plus I notice a very small soldier, looks like a boy.
KenjiB_48
And one chap with rifle seems to be in mufti.
myheadismyonlyhouse
the lady being held back by the soldier is wearing a Cumann na mBan hat, probably wearing the uniform as well, here's Margaret Skinnider wearing her uniform. songsandstories.net/myblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Ill...
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You may be right [https://www.flickr.com/photos/110711469@N08]. Certainly Hogan describes related crowd shots as including admirers. Whatever the interaction, it was enough to draw attention from two men in the column - one perhaps a prisoner who we might imagine knows the lady. The other armed - and we might imagine looking back to see if assistance is required. {laments the loss of the "notes" feature to mark the four involved in the (semi)imagined ruckus}
myheadismyonlyhouse
i've been studying that photo intently for the last few months, it's like a "dutch master" to me, so i know the people you refer to. its a truly great picture. went looking on the military archives webpage for cumann na mban cork membership lists, but they mostly seem to be offline due to database errors...file not found stuff. wonder who's in charge there.
myheadismyonlyhouse
Can I point you at this as well? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000219109. Its not an overturned cart, it's an 18 pounder being manouvred into cover behind the wall. look at the trail on the right. then look at this...rest my case, i do. c2.staticflickr.com/8/7437/10552545885_8dabc2b497_b.jpg