Life on Patrick Street, Limerick

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Where: Limerick, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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Our Catalogue described this photo as:
"Tenant Farmer's Cottage, Killarney, Co. Kerry"
Which clearly wasn't correct.

After posting (to possibly identify and correct the entry), we noticed that the slide was also reversed, and we corrected the orientation.

Very quickly the eagle-eyed Dr O Mac , did it again - and identified the location as Patrick Street, Limerick. This was corroborated by Niall McAuley who pointed-out a reversed and obscured slide-label at the margins which seemed to read "Patrick St Limerick".



Photographer: Robert French

Collection: The Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1902-1914

NLI Ref: L_CAB_04888

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:17:44

    "Pinkeens" one of my all time favorites has just been added to out 50,000+ Views Album. https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7187389356/in/album-72157651136879037/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:30:23

    I think you're right that it's not right. Looks more like Thomas street or somewhere like that. Edit: Actually, the houses are all too tall for Thomas st.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:43:38

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think I (we) have seen that clock before.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:46:46

    I don't remember it. Hannon Cycles isn't producing any useful leads, anyway.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:56:20

    The building on the left looks really familiar to me. (Which probably means that it's long since torn down.)

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:56:49

    Parnell St has the right sort of curve to it but it doesn't seem to match it very well in terms of scenery.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:58:57

    There must be a couple of crossings and possibly a whole river that have been foreshortened out of the picture. I don't think there's a street this long in Dublin that looks with this many shops on it that isn't also dead straight.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 06:59:50

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] We might not be seeing an S making it SHannon perhaps?

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:04:43

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Could be, but that's turning up even less.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:07:22

    I'm assuming it's Dublin because the buildings are all 4 and 5 stories high, but maybe it's Cork.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:09:15

    Hmm. A quick scan of Cork doesn't reveal this level of georgianness.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:16:11

    Patrick's Street Limerick Street View 25" OSI

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:18:02

    Here's the detail of the background, in case anyone recognises it: www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/19377642911/in/datepost...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:19:12

    I think it might be Marlborough St. -there was a semi-reference to a "Hannon Cycles" on Marlborough St., and you can see what looks like the tower above in this photo. ETA: On closer viewer, maybe not.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:19:23

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I never realised Limerick was that built-up.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:24:27

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] We were here before but looking 'back the ways'. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] had found out at the time that the street lighting was being electrified from 1902 on. So we are looking at post 1902 here too www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5260847546/in/photolist-9...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:25:41

    Previously seen here www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5260240449/

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:30:30

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I didn't say no leads. I said no useful leads. I'd guess NLI is right and it's Shannon, what with being in Limerick.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:38:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well done Doc.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:40:47

    Cannock, Tait and Co. Department Store limerick----now Penny's.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:40:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Your OSI map shows "Town Hall" which should be the building on the left?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:44:46

    I note that it is Patrick Street on on current and historic maps rather than Patrick's Street

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:48:41

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Yep..... We'll have to leave something for https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie ....

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:56:25

    If you flip the image, you can read the white writing down the edge, it says "Patrick St Limerick". So there (even if I am too late!!).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:56:47

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] He is on Holiday I hear, perhaps he is on holiday in Limerick. I will mention him here (https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie ) and see if this draws a response. I am sure he will have a story to add.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 07:57:23

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] You're probably right, as I assume it's the Coles.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:06:50

    CYCLE Mechanic—Competent assembler and wheel builder wanted at the Shannon Cycle Works, Patrick street, Limerick; good wages to a reliable man. Irish Examiner, 2 July 1906 — almost 109 years ago to the day!

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:07:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] One is a continuation of the other. The clock tower being focus and common to both.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:10:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Nice one

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:12:24

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I know, I realised after posting... and didn't delete fast enough. Plus they're both now O'Connell St so this is a later picture from the far end: www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/5587139288

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:14:06

    There is a barber's pole at left. The modern OSI numbers the buildings that were "town hall" as 17-19 Rutland St. In 1901, James Cusack, Barber, lives at #16, but he is only 19. No barbers are recorded on Rutland St. in 1911, but James is now 27, a hairdresser, married and living on Aherne's Row, a short commute away. I think that is probably his barber pole.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:15:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Chrestomanci! Or even more obscurely, Kibo

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:18:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Magic!! Tags Updated.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:20:16

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] In 1900 the Shannon Cycle Works was mentioned in the House of Commons as they wanted to bid for the Army contracts for cycles.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:22:23

    In 1901, the occupants of #2.1, with the giant watch hanging outside, include: Joseph Hartman, Jeweller, Alphonsus Hartman, Watchmaker, and Nicodemus Weiphar, Clockmaker, all born in Germany. 2009's Streetview shows Hartmann International Sports Clinic there.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:24:48

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Excellent and it confirms Sharons - Cole - "Cole, Nelson, and Co., of the Shannon Cycle Works, Limerick."

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:28:51

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Great continuity, it must be the same family.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:33:40

    In 1901, #5 is Heim, another German Jeweller. In 1911, it's Ellen Quinn's Drapery. I see clothes there in this image.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:37:10

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] According to a post by his wife's grandniece, Heim died in 1902.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:41:27

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] There is a watch maker on Patrick St in 1901? www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Limeri...

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:47:56

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley LOL. I think you've to say it three times, though.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 08:54:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Hartmann & Heim seem to have been working together at 2 Patrick St. The thread I linked to above does have more info about the various clockmakers in Clare/Limerick, and mentions the Irwins on Patrick St. too.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 09:04:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I have changed the earliest date to 1902 (Electric Lights) any help with the 1914?

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 09:17:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland As a main street and there being no motoring cars I'd lean towards earlier rather than later date.

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    mperlet

    • 03/Jul/2015 09:40:52

    Thank you for sharing and congrats on explore.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Jul/2015 09:59:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Irwin Brothers only closed down in 2011.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 03/Jul/2015 10:08:27

    Two page puff piece on Limerick’s history and businesses in the Sunday Independent, 3 October 1909 (including mention of a rival cycle factory, The Treaty Cycle Works):

    MESSRS. COLE, NELSON AND CO., LTD., CYCLE MAKERS This is one of the oldest, if not the oldest cycle making firm in Ireland, being established in 1881, and they manufacture the popular Shannon bike. On their premises, in Patrick street, they have a compact, well equipped workshop, provided with electric power. The Shannon cycle is very popular, and has received numberless testimonials from many countries, for they are know far beyond the confines of Limerick and of Ireland, and are appreciated by all classes, the prices being within the reach of all, and payable on the instalment system. …. Besides keeping a large stock of these machines, the firm has a good assortment of mail carts, baby carriages, and musical goods, such as gramophones, records, making a speciality of John M’Cormack’s famous records.
    They’d have needed a never-never payment system. In 1908, to buy one outright cost from £5 17s 6d, or you could pay for a bike in instalments from 5 shillings a month. The most expensive model by 1911 was £11, and by then, it was between 6 and 8 shillings per month on the never-never.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 10:17:03

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mperlet Mathias, Thanks. I have just added this photo to our Explore Album https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157653615261435

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Jul/2015 10:43:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I just spotted this mugshot of yourself in the Commons recently: Image from page 735 of "Annual report of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution" (1846)

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    O Mac

    • 03/Jul/2015 11:02:51

    No 4 is the shop with the ladder next to watchmakers. Ad from Guys Limerick Directory 1912 www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/19371617032/in/datepos...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jul/2015 11:40:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Looking well I am too!!

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    hotcoolaid

    • 03/Jul/2015 21:35:39

    That's the way I like my streets, no traffic.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Jul/2015 22:51:03

    The Limerick limerick Said wife to her husband in Limerick, "The left of the road seems much dimmer, Mick - Life can be complete On the sunny side of the street With gold-dust at our feet which glimmers ... Quick!" With grateful respect to Dorothy Fields

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    tonyheaney

    • 06/Sep/2017 19:43:00

    a man just when I thought id seen all 150 Limerick photos another pops up well done :) how many photos are there exactly