Group of two : commissioned by Mr. Synnott. Solicitor. Enniscorthy

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I think DannyM8 might have finally cracked this one. He proposes John A. Sinnott as the older man and his nephew John Nicholas Scallan a recently qualified a solicitor as the younger man. Sharon thinks the photo may have been taken at the time Scallan joined his uncles firm.

John N. Scallon gets married in 1909 and by that time the marriage notice mentions his late uncle - John A. Sinnott.

I note that John A. Sinnotts father was Nicholas.

sharon.corbet Sharon finds John Nicholas in the 1901 census as a Solicitors Apprentice.

Therefore I am going to use the People Identified tag, which has been redundant for a while!!

Niall McAuley and sharon.corbet Think the younger man might be Michael O'Dempsey and they point to a document that shows he was shot as a spy in 1922 - see here, it is worth a read

Having made the error of posting this photo for a second time and then seeing the interest it generated we may do the same again - watch this space!!

Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: Circa 29 September 1906

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 1616


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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Mar/2015 08:56:42

    It appears to be Michael Gambon and some other fellow. Here he is with his hat on: www.imdb.com/media/rm2044238080/nm0002091?ref_=nmmd_md_pv

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:01:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That would explain why I can't find him in the census...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:04:57

    Possibly the "Synnott" is the founder (or son of) of John A. Sinnott which is around since 1865.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:07:18

    I didn't see a matching Sinnott, Synnot or Synott in the census either, so if he's spelt wrong, it's in some quite random fashion.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:08:55

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Maybe it was commissioned in the firm's name and there were already no Sinnotts left in the firm by that stage.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:11:56

    Hey, this is a double up! www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/6194706242/ (Though there doesn't seem to be any info there either.)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:29:39

    There is a John Sinnott solicitor, New St. in the 1894 Slater's Directory of Enniscorthy.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:36:19

    I widened my census search to all Solicitors in Ireland, and here is Henry J. Synnott, solicitor, in 1911 in Kingstown.

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:44:16

    I think they still exist today, I remember doing business with them years ago.

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    DannyM8

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:45:13

    Yes they are - www.johnasinnottsolicitors.ie/ Established in 1865, John A. Sinnott & Co. Solicitors is now under the stewardship of John G. Murphy, whose reputation, character and ambition to succeed on behalf of clients has been instilled in the entire team and makes for a vibrant, progressive and dynamic company but yet adheres to the company’s traditional, core values

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:51:07

    Henry was not in Glenageary Road in 1901, perhaps he was working in Enniscorthy? [Look, a Butler!! And a visitor from Galway with two f's in ffrench!]

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:51:57

    Sinott's solicitor's firm does look more likely.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 09:54:02

    There are a couple more in the NLI catalogue ordered by J. Synnott, Court St., Enniscorthy.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:03:20

    OK, there are 5 solicitors in Enniscorthy in 1911, including two O'Dempseys, a father and son?: Thomas Joseph O'Dempsey (63) and Micheal Joseph O'Dempsey (25). I think this is them, aged 59 and 21.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:14:15

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Here's Michael O'Dempsey in 1901, in Clongowes. Whereas his parents and 9 siblings are in Enniscorthy.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:21:26

    So maybe Michael qualifies at 25, joins his father in Sinnotts, and they have a photo taken?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:29:50

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] And was later shot, according to this as a spy, in 1921.

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    derangedlemur

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:36:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's like a Patrick Suskind novel. Explains how Murphy got his mitts on the place, anyway.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 10:55:28

    Kevin Myers refers to Michael O'Dempsey as solicitor Michael John O'Dempsey, a well-known athlete, nationalist and member of the United Irish League., but I refuse to link to his trolling articles.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Mar/2015 12:57:25

    Can we take it then that we have here the two O'Dempseys and that one of them "a well known athlete, nationalist and member of the United Irish League was shot as a spy by the Old IRA?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 13:23:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland That is still really only a guess... If we knew for sure that O'Dempsey Senior was in fact running Sinnott's, that would support the idea.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 13:30:11

    Hmmm, a search indicates that Google books shows Solicitors: J. A Sinnott; T. J. O'Dempsey. on page 85 of Irish Jurist and Local Government Review: A Journal Devoted to the Interests of the Law and Local Government in Ireland, Volume 2

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 13:30:42

    So I think they were working together in 1902.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 13:31:25

    Or T. O' Dempsey was acting for Sinnott the firm in 1902...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 26/Mar/2015 14:44:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Google allows me access to the Irish Jurist and Local etc. and unfortunately, that "solicitors: J.A. Sinnott; T.J. O'Dempsey" looks more like opposing sides in a court case rather than working together. At the same time, I found record of Michael O'Dempsey passing his Intermediate Examinations for Apprentices to Solicitors on October 8th 1906 in the The Irish Law Times and Solicitors' Journal, Volume 40. Which would fit fairly well with the date of the photo.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 26/Mar/2015 15:27:28

    On the photo pose: I was wondering why the younger man is sitting on a table. perhaps because he is the son, but is the taller? Have him sit so he doesn't loom over the older man? Or perhaps not, given that there is reversed loomage in the other shot of this pair.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Mar/2015 04:46:11

    There is a "ghost" of John A. Sinnott in the 1901 Census. This record of Kate Sinnott seems to have an erased "John A." behind it - it's possible he was absent on the census day. He is mentioned in the Buildings Return Form for no. 7 New Street, Enniscorthy.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Mar/2015 08:16:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I think it's still open - I can't find any concrete link between Sinnott's and the O'Dempseys, but it still could be them. (The dates match pretty well) Or Sinnott and son. Or someone else entirely :-) The O'Dempseys seem to have been an interesting family - T.J. spent time in Kilmainham Gaol in 1881 as one of "The Suspects".

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    Niall McAuley

    • 27/Mar/2015 08:33:17

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Wow, I love the ghost of John A! There is more erased writing in the Relation to Head column - I must take a squint later and see if I can make it out. Well spotted!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 27/Mar/2015 14:49:07

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley The OCR picked up on it - it came up with "Kate T. John N." as a first name, which curiosity made me further investigate.

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    DannyM8

    • 29/Mar/2015 07:54:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Can I propose that the two men are John A. Sinnott and Mr John N. Scallan his nephew and also a legal man. Here John A. Synnott appointed a Solicitor in 1865 https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16937517916/ Here Sinnott trys to get Scallan appointed a Notary Public in Nov 1908. https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16343546073/ Here Scallan marries in November 1909 it states he is nephew of the late John A. Sinnott, https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/16341194984/

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    DannyM8

    • 29/Mar/2015 08:19:03

    John Nicholas Scallan married to Maty Kate (Kathleen) He is a Solicitor, they have one daughter the 7 month old Mary Scallan per 1911 Census

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    sharon.corbet

    • 29/Mar/2015 12:31:40

    [https://m.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] I think you've got it - particularly as that article about him not becoming a notary mentions that he has only been a solicitor for 2 years as of 1908. Which would tie in with this being a photo of him joining his uncle's practice in 1906. Here he is in 1901, as a solicitor's apprentice, presumably to his father (who, oddly enough is also missing from the 1901 census.)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 29/Mar/2015 12:54:52

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Well done to the two of you. The John Michael on the 1901 census is obviously a transcription error, it is clearly John Nicholas on the original form. People Identified Tag at the ready.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 29/Mar/2015 19:05:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Looks good to me!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Dec/2019 12:14:28

    Death of John Aloysius Sinnott, Solicitor, 69, on 2nd November 1906, just over a month after this photo, from a perforated ulcer and heart failure.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 11/Dec/2019 12:22:18

    Here is a John N. Scallan, solicitor of Kilmore Quay, who died at age 74 in 1953.