Shipquay Street Derry/Londonderry.

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This is one of a stereo pair from the Lawrence Collection. The title is "Low angle railings Civil Building with clock tower and dome, statue with small plinth in front. Lisburn, Co. Antrim.

Location Identified - derangedlemur Niall McAuley and sharon.corbet have shown this not to be Lisburn as noted in the title, but actually Derry/Londonderry, Shipquay Street to be precise, well done you three.

A little information on the Collection. The Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection was acquired by the National Library with the Lawrence Collection, though it has always been considered a separate collection as the images cover an earlier period than the main Lawrence Collection, are a different format and were not created by the Lawrence firm. The stereographic negatives in the collection were the work of Dublin photographers James Simonton and Frederick Holland Mares and were acquired, probably purchased, by John Fortune Lawrence, a brother of William Mervyn Lawrence. They were printed and marketed by William Lawrence until the popularity of stereos waned in the 1880's.

Photographers: Frederick Holland Mares, James Simonton

Contributor: John Fortune Lawrence

Collection: The Stereo Pairs Photograph Collection

Date: Circa 1860 - 1883

NLI Ref: STP_2285

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 08:20:06

    That's the view up Bow Street and Market square to the courthouse.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 08:20:22

    Here-ish (well, back a bit, but streetview can't get there): www.google.ie/maps/@54.511057,-6.044733,3a,75y,85.44h,79....

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 08:29:00

    It's actually the Market House and Assembly Rooms, not the courthouse. In my defence, it's about 30 years since I've been there and I didn't pay much attention to which building was what back then.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 08:35:06

    Aside from the view not being blocked by a load of random stuff, It looks in some respects (e.g. gradient) more like the view up bridge street. I wonder if there was ever an unobstructed view of the markethouse from there. Mind you, that would put the cathederal in the wrong place.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Feb/2015 08:36:19

    It's now the Irish Linen Centre and Lisburn Museum.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 09:47:40

    It looks a fair bit grander (and also steeper) than I ever remember Lisburn being, and it doesn't look from this www.lisburn.com/books/historical_society/volume6/volume6-... as if the market ever had a front like that. I'm starting to get suspicious of the title.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:06:36

    Having said that, the view from the other side seems to match it pretty well: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565616

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:10:57

    And yet here again, we see it not matching from the Bow street side: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000565618, catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040108

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:28:02

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] You've convinced me - I was having doubts from the beginning, as none of the streets seemed to match the view in the photo.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:32:26

    This is from the stereo pair collection, though so 1883 at latest. Much earlier than we are used to. But looking at the OSI 6" map of 1833, I can't see it being Lisburn.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:35:45

    www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/ Sure, but it can't be before the hall was rebuilt - they didn't have photography then, and the two I linked above are about a hundred years apart and show a different building in front of the hall.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:36:37

    The gradient looks like bridge street, but it's way too posh and you'd never have had that view of the market: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,726682,864224,7,7

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:40:22

    Steep streets and road bridges reminds me more of Derry.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:40:49

    I think it's Derry Old Town Hall.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:42:09

    Viewed up Shipquay St. Streetview.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:44:48

    www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley/ www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Definitely.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:48:19

    Applying some zoomage, the shopfornt at bottom left reads BAXT (for baxter, I assume).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 10:59:26

    The statue of Robert Ferguson at the top of the hill is now in Brooke Park.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:01:01

    The railings are still there (reverse streetview).

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:04:07

    The Shipquay Gate was built "in the first decade of the nineteenth century of ashlar sandstone and has a single elliptical-arched opening."

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:17:18

    From our friends at the Lennon-Wylie pages, 1901 street directory: BELLHANGERS Baxter, Aaron, Shipquay Street Listed in 1877, too, but not 1861. Not much help.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:20:19

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Oh well done guys, I love it when this happens and we have a complete change of venue and an exciting new angle on a photograph! I have been to Lisburn more recently and was having difficulty remembering a hill as steep as that one. However I have not been in Derry since 1969 so I would have no knowledge of that. This is brilliant work, congratulations and thank you very much!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:21:49

    I should add that I was wondering if this was nice but not too exciting and now we find that it is a whole new line of discovery, I love it!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:45:39

    This building on the right dates from 1870.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Feb/2015 11:53:56

    I can't find a date for when this town hall burnt down but I think it had to be before 1887, when they started on the new Guildhall. Edit: No, the fire in Austin's mentioned on http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]'s photo was in 1904, and there is another DIA reference to the old town hall in 1902. So the fire is no help, we know this shot is before 1883 (and after 1870, the BoI).

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    DannyM8

    • 02/Feb/2015 12:53:45

    How about that, not Lisburn!! Well done all.

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    John Spooner

    • 02/Feb/2015 21:39:50

    Belfast Newsletter, Wednesday 31 July 1872 (quoting the Derry Sentinel) Sudden death Klaxon!! (it'll be worn out at this rate)

    DEATH BY DROWNING AT DERRY. - We regret to have to announce a death by drowning in the Foyle. On Monday morning a young man named David M'Farland, a plumber in the employment of Mr A. Baxter, Shipquay Street, went to bathe at The Graving Dock, and was drowned. An inquest was held on the body in the evening, and a verdict in accordance with the facts given in evidence returned.

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    John Spooner

    • 02/Feb/2015 21:51:17

    In reports of court cases in the Belfast Newsletter in 1890, there are references to Mr Aaron Baxter J.P. (Mayor). One of the cases reported on 23rd January concerned the theft of £16 0s 5d from the shop of Messrs W & A Gilbey of Shipquay Street

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 03/Feb/2015 02:52:43

    that's a nice shot.

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    dylanman58

    • 05/Feb/2015 14:48:35

    www.mwapartnership.co.uk/images/portfolio/urban_design/lg... view from the same spot ( approx)

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    Vab2009

    • 06/Feb/2015 00:05:48

    I was starting to say to myself that this was a very strange view of Lisburn...lol!

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    Mark Lusby

    • 20/Feb/2016 16:38:44

    The interpretative panel on the Derry Walls near to the top of Shipquay Gate is being replaced and the Friends of the Derry Walls hope to use this image on it so that viewer can stand on top of the gate and see how the scene has changed.

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    Mark Lusby

    • 22/Feb/2016 21:56:30

    Sir Robert Ferguson died in 1860 - checking when his statue at the head of Shipquay St was erected.

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    Mark Lusby

    • 22/Feb/2016 22:10:52

    The sixth building up on the RHS is the former Bank of Ireland which opened on 3 Jan 1870.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Feb/2016 06:54:58

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/marklusby] DIA reference for the Bank of Ireland, opened for business 3rd Jan 1870

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    Niall McAuley

    • 23/Feb/2016 07:11:44

    There is another building dated 1873: McGowan and Lane - CO. DERRY, DERRY, SHIPQUAY STREET, BUSINESS PREMISES (MCGOWAN & LANE) Date: 1873 Nature: Complete renovation. 3 storeys. Brick with freestone ornament. Builder: G. & R. Ferguson the 1877 directory gives it as Coal Merchants, McGowan & Lane, Shipquay and Waterside I don't know if that would be in shot.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Feb/2016 07:24:57

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/marklusby https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Keep at it, I will update the date range when you have come to a conclusion.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Feb/2016 07:30:29

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/marklusby As this is a Stereo pair, I wonder is there any clever way to give the viewers of your proposed interpretative panel the 3D effect?