A street scene in Cork with tram and passengers!

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Where: Cork, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1910

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This is a street scene from Cork with an electric tram and would be passengers. This is from the Fergus O'Connor collection.

The Location was correctly Identified as Douglas village in Cork in very quick time by NeicyMurphy Just ahead of others.

No luck in finding a definitive date for this photo. But, there is still time for all you researchers to let us know.

I am also surprised that we did not identify at least one of the people in the photo!

Photographer: Fergus O'Connor

Date: No date but circa 1900 to 1920

Reference: OCO 298

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 08:39:15

    Good morning Flickroonies and we wish you all a great weekend! Todays shot will probably be identified early as it is in Cork where some of our best sleuths reside and it is "Super Zoomable" and you can zoom in on the detail to help make it easier to identify. Best of luck and a virtual cake to the first to identify the spot;-)

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    NeicyMurphy

    • 16/Jan/2015 08:49:12

    It looks like Douglas but doubt the trams went out that far? Really looking forward to hearing were it is :)

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    Swordscookie

    • 16/Jan/2015 09:22:27

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/denise-murphy-photos So am I Denise!

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    NeicyMurphy

    • 16/Jan/2015 09:23:53

    Actually is it Victoria Cross??

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/Jan/2015 09:34:52

    The tram line seems just to finish - no buffer or stop sign. Or is it covered in mud. Cork tram line map - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cork_City_Electric_Tramways.jpg from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Electric_Tramways_and_Lighting... - "The livery was bright green and cream"

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:08:42

    From the shadows, it looks as if South is to the left, so we are looking generally West

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:22:33

    Two pubs on the left, J. O'Driscoll and R. Barry (I think)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:24:12

    And the tram did go to Douglas: see GeoHive OSI map here.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:27:45

    I think Barrys is still there!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:29:05

    O'Driscoll's, too: Streetview

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:34:03

    Following up on the Douglas angle, there's an O'Driscoll's and a Barry's in Douglas now, both in similar position to one another: goo.gl/maps/XT1J6 O'Driscoll's claims that they're there since 1885. Barry's claims since 1771: www.barrysofdouglas.ie/

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:35:36

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Knew I should have refreshed before posting :-)

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    guliolopez

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:40:32

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Has this one located correctly. This is Douglas village at the junction of Church Street. Google Streeview and OSI As per the OSI map, this was the tram terminus (Edit: And in yet another return to form, I post the same thing 10 minutes after everyone else :) )

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:47:06

    It's also a little up the road and facing the other way compared to this one: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000040454 The road to the right is the Church St. (At least by a rather convoluted comparison of this: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000342966 Streetview and the Thom's directory of 1986.)

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    NeicyMurphy

    • 16/Jan/2015 10:56:43

    So I was right ? ! :) and I only a blow in and all :) it's a great picture

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    DannyM8

    • 16/Jan/2015 11:47:31

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Mary, no dog? There is a Barry a Publican in the 1911 Census see here

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 12:37:59

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Danny we just cannot get good staff:-0

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 12:39:01

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/denise-murphy-photos Well done Denise. The savage may love his native shore but that doesn't mean he knows anything about it:-)

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    dorameulman

    • 16/Jan/2015 13:11:38

    I love this old shot of Douglas in Cork. I found a shot of Driscoll's in my archive. Not as good as this one but it may be of interest. :-) The details are brilliant some of the kids are barefoot and I bet it's cold. Thanks for another wonderful image. :-)) {www.flickr.com/photos/dorameulman/6754187441/in/set-72157...]

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 13:15:58

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/dorameulman Very nice Dora it has continued to be an impressive establishment!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 13:23:33

    There are so many things in this shot that I love! The girls with their pinafores to protect their dresses. The boys with the celluloid collar on their shirts and the skullcaps on their heads. They probably have school crests on them though that is not guaranteed! The boy at the far end of the tram on crutches. Probably the victim of poliomyelitis which was quite common in those days! A question you bright researchers might be able to answer? Whose cakes are being advertised on the tram????

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 16/Jan/2015 13:48:23

    old electric tram, with a large power-pole. great shot

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 16/Jan/2015 13:55:13

    catenary, that's the word I was looking for. would be a 900mm (almost 3ft) narrow-gauge track

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    sharon.corbet

    • 16/Jan/2015 16:50:26

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I was looking at that earlier, and it seems that Marsh's & Co. from Belfast would be a good bet, but I couldn't find too much info on them. Though there do seem to be a lot of biscuit tins of theirs floating around :-)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/Jan/2015 18:36:09

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Now you mention it Sharon you may be right. When I was growing up in the 40's and 50's all biscuits were sold loose and the quicker sellers were kept in glass topped tins most of which were old Marsh's tins! Perhaps Marsh's had branches elsewhere and a city like Cork would appear to be a likely base?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/Jan/2015 21:26:25

    I like the white stones as a curb and how the current bus-stop shelter is in the same spot as the old tram-stop. This often happened when buses replaced trams on the same routes in Sydney, Australia too - obvious really, but a good way to find old tramway evidence. What about the date? We should be able to narrow that a bit from "Circa: 1900 - 1920" - no electric street lighting even on the tram poles unlike in Patrick St; no motor car tracks; the clothes - men's flat caps, boy's plus fours, and women's big flat hats etc. 1910-ish?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/Jan/2015 21:30:58

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] "The gauge of the tramway was 900 mm (2 ft 11 7⁄16 in) gauge, selected to allow trains from the 3 ft (914 mm) narrow gauge Cork and Muskerry Light Railway and the Cork, Blackrock and Passage Railway to connect using the tram lines." from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cork_Electric_Tramways_and_Lighting...

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 17/Jan/2015 16:16:30

    Luv this image and luv your photostream!!! Thank you for your visit to mine and your kind comment!!!

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    Vab2009

    • 17/Jan/2015 17:17:49

    As to the biscuits .. I found this link to the site of the company in Donegall Street.. the building was burnt down according to this www.futurebelfast.com/120---138-donegall-street--marshs-b... And a biscuit tin www.heartofireland.eu/food/biscuits/marsh-blau.html Growing up in Belfast I have never heard of them before but my husband who is 71 has heard of them.

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    guliolopez

    • 18/Jan/2015 11:08:35

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] and https://www.flickr.com/photos/vab2009 - Nice extra info on the biscuit advert. I had a quick "Google" the other day, but lacking the context (Belfast/etc) I didn't come-up with much :) So nice to see the tins/building/etc. https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia On the date, I think you're probably right. I'd say we're looking at the middle-ground between the two ends of the proposed range (Closer to 1910, than the 1900 or 1920 "ends" of the scale). Might be nice to focus the timeline further. (I'll take a look at street directories/etc late...)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 18/Jan/2015 17:26:56

    so are we going to get a new upload every Monday like Carol used to do, or is it unscheduled?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 18/Jan/2015 20:25:12

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Hi Brian, the answer is that a group of volunteers are running the stream now and we plan to run a new photograph each day except at weekends. We are trawling through the NLI archives and getting a stock ready in the hope that we can, at least partially, emulate the work of the redoubtable Carol!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 19/Jan/2015 02:44:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That was part of the reason I went looking for Marsh's & Co., hoping that it would help refine the date a little. But they were around from the 19th Cent. (Even at a Cork Exhibition in 1883.) And apparently still in Donegall Street in 1918.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 19/Jan/2015 03:40:20

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Good to hear. Keep it up guys and gals.

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    Reconstructing Light

    • 21/Jan/2015 18:26:41

    Amazing how far things have progressed in a persons lifetime.....