The Mall in Tralee

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Where: Kerry, Ireland

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When: 01 August 1952

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It's a shame that some of the business and shop names are not crystal clear in this one, but liked the woman with the shawl alongside the influx of cars and modern fashions and telephone lines…

This was probably taken between 1930 and 1950, but if we can find a year when the Tralee Races were held on 10th and 11th September (banner at the end of The Mall) then we can narrow down the date.

Date: Circa August/September 1952 (thanks everyone!)

NLI Ref.: VAL 3062

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    Dru Marland

    • 21/Jan/2014 08:49:15

    that looks like a Morris Minor MM driving towards the camera, which would put the picture post-1948

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 08:56:20

    Likewise with the Hillman Minx estate (see note) - 1948 +

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 09:15:19

    GoogleVanTootle Streetview - goo.gl/maps/ESBM8 - Tralee, tra-la. tralee, tra-la, la la la ...

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    Myrtle26

    • 21/Jan/2014 09:52:47

    The Square is to the left at the Tralee Races sign. Denny Street is to the left mid way where a sign points to Town Hall and Ashe Street is to the right at Baily's Corner. Sir Edward Denny spent more money than he could afford in restoring Tralee Castle but the family remained and owned Denny's Meats until Kerry Group bought it not too long ago. A family member came over from Wales to sign the contract and tears filled his eyes as he signed away the last of their business in Ireland. They were good people and Daniel O'Connell supported Sir Edward Denny in his political career.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2014 10:22:06

    Tralee races September 10-11 should narrow it down... Kerryman, 16/6/1945 - Prospects Bright for Early Resumption of Tralee Race Meetings - This suggests that racing was suspended for The Emergency. Not 1946 either. Kerryman 05/10/1946 Huge field ... Revived Meeting 1947 it was November. 1948 was 8th and 9th September (Kerryman 14th Aug 1948) 1949 is a possibility. Kerryman 10/9/1949 Record Crowds...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2014 10:49:31

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Unfortunately, your suggested 1949 link is almost illegible! The Kerryman of Saturday, 10 September 1949 (it was a weekly) seems to be talking about the previous Wednesday and Thursday, so that would be September 7th and 8th - not 1949 then...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2014 10:52:53

    The Tralee Races were on Wednesday 6th and Thursday 7th in 1950 (The Kerryman, 2 September 1950) Looks as if Wednesday and Thursday were the days... 1941 and 1947 are years when September 10th and 11th fell on a Wednesday and Thursday, but car evidence (thank you all!) rules those dates out.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2014 10:55:12

    10-11 were Wednesday Thursday in 1952 Kerryman Successful Tralee Race Meeting 13/09/1952 The Irish Press has hits for Tralee races on the 10th and 11th September 1952.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2014 10:55:38

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Unfortunately, your suggested 1949 link is almost illegible! The Kerryman of Saturday, 10 September 1949 (it was a weekly) seems to be talking about the previous Wednesday and Thursday, so that would be September 7th and 8th - not 1949 then...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 11:02:32

    Rose-coloured herring - " ... In 1957, the Race Week Carnival was resurrected in Tralee, and it featured a Carnival Queen. The idea for the Rose of Tralee festival came when a group of local business people met in Harty's bar in Tralee to come up with ideas to bring more tourists to the town during the horse racing meeting and to encourage ex-pats back to their native Tralee. Led by Dan Nolan, then managing director of The Kerryman newspaper, they hit on the idea of the Rose of Tralee festival. The competition started in 1959 on a budget of just £750. ... ... - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_of_Tralee_(festival)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2014 11:14:56

    The racecourse is there on the 1898 25" OSI map at GeoHive.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2014 11:21:26

    For accuracy, the nearer buildings are actually on (Lower) Castle Street. The Mall starts after Denny Street at left.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 11:53:58

    Question - in Ireland is it Mall to rhyme with Paul, or Mall to rhyme with Val ?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 21/Jan/2014 12:10:02

    If you're my age, Mall rhymes with Shall, but young people today (bah!) seem to rhyme it with trawl.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2014 12:34:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia And if you're 123 and a half like me, Mall also rhymes with Shall. Mall/Trawl only arrived in Ireland with American tv programmes, I think. How is it said in the Land Down Under?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 12:41:52

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Mall as in Australian crawl. Ed. There is also a Tralee, NSW - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tralee,_New_South_Wales . Still in the planning stages.

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    RETRO STU

    • 21/Jan/2014 12:58:28

    Looking at the clothes and cars - I'd say closer to 1950.

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 21/Jan/2014 14:06:12

    Can anyone with access to a phone directory find out when F W Woolworth were first registered in Tralee?

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    Swordscookie

    • 21/Jan/2014 16:30:09

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Mall as in Val where I come from! Whenever we went over to London we were puggled by Pall Mall (Paul Maul), we knew who Paul was and what a maul was ( a thing of beauty when the jerseys are red) but a Pall Mall was confusing in the extreme! Apropos the shot - the Garda has his raincoat on and buttoned right up to the neck so you can't see if he has a choke collar or a shirt and tie, which would have helped.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 21/Jan/2014 17:02:39

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Sorry Pete, I was deskbound this afternoon. Will try to check out phone directories tomorrow...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 21/Jan/2014 21:28:07

    The Mall in Tralee Limerick When taking a stroll in the Mall With your favourite lassie or pal, As you jauntily flounce it Remember pronounce it To rhyme with Val, Shall, Hal, ... et al.

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    DannyM8

    • 21/Jan/2014 23:20:07

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia One of your best, if the lassie is lassie as in the Dog you will be disappointed.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Jan/2014 10:02:42

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Bualadh bos arís! Laughed my head off at "et al" - hear that pronounced both ways too... :)

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    Swordscookie

    • 22/Jan/2014 11:05:02

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Very subtle, I like that ending!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 23/Jan/2014 21:19:23

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie You are way too kind, thanks. Did we decide the year? - I am betting on http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley's 1952 ...

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jan/2014 22:57:32

    My dad used to work in Bailey's at the corner. It was destroyed by fire, in the 1970s, I think.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 23/Jan/2014 23:35:25

    In terms of dating the picture, I think we can say pre-1956. In this 1956 pic of Tralee www.kennellyarchive.com/id/HDJ014/ we can see the Afton cigarette advert on what was then O'Connor's shop. That Afton cigarette sign was a very visible landmark in Tralee, surviving until the 1980s, or possibly later. So, our picture predates 1956 when the sign was in place. Given the dates of the races, 1952 seems solid.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2014 09:27:33

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernardhealy] That's a good find! At the same page, here's the Sweet Afton ad in July 1955, and here is one from April 1955 without the sign. So the sign went up in May or June 1955, and this nli photo is before July 1955.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 24/Jan/2014 09:39:16

    So the Minx says after 1948, the Sweet Afton sign says before July 1955, and 1952 is the only year in there when 10-11 September fall on a Wednesday-Thursday, which appear to have been race days, and we have Press stories confirming that the races were on 10-11 Sep in 1952. I think we can say it's definitely 1952. I'd guess somewhere in the month before the races - they weren't going to hang that banner out all year. So, August/September 1952?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Jan/2014 10:02:18

    Thank you, one and all - around August/September 1952 it is!

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    Brian-ardfert

    • 24/Jan/2014 11:50:35

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia val but broader

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 11/Oct/2015 05:06:30

    I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037