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Where: Waterford, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1915

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All we had was "House near Clonmel, Co. Tipperary". That did not explain the soldier, the matting outside, or the notice. Thanks to all for your comments below that solved this mystery...

Oh, and a very Happy New Year to you all!

Date: Circa 1915??

NLI Ref.: EAS_3423

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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clonmel tipperary munster soldier stream notice oconnell hackett eason easonson easoncollection glassnegative uniform britisharmy bandolier scrotheawest roaringspringroad showerbath waterfall baths nuisance limerickbybeachcomber nationallibraryofireland locationidentified

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    Flame1958

    • 02/Jan/2014 09:26:02

    well, we have a lot in common, I have no idea either.. and a Happy New Year to you and your colleagues

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 09:27:14

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Many Happy Returns!

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 09:57:59

    Is it a mill or why do they have thier own river?

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:06:13

    Any person found committing a nuisance here will be prosecuted according to law. Any person prosecuting to conviction a party guilty of committing this nuisance will receive ten shillings reward. O'Connell Hackett. Let's see where O'Connell Hackett lived. Ho for the census archives!

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    guliolopez

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:08:08

    Henry O’Connell Hackett was mayor of Clonmel for a time. Seems likely this was in Tipp somewhere...

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:18:34

    I wonder is it the Spa Mill or some other bit of the Spa.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:28:52

    All the ones around it are in the town or close to it. I'd be surprised if this is particularly far, and it must be in Tipperary or it wouldn't have the mayor's notices up, so we know it's not over the county border.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:32:52

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] So it's not a long way to Tipperary ... ! hAPpY nEw YeAr !

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:36:22

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That must have been quite an old notice if it's Clonmel related. Henry O'Connell Hackett was Mayor of Clonmel Borough Council in 1872 and 1879-80. This photo is definitely early 20th century.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 10:36:40

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Happy New Year to you!

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:22:32

    Interesting photo. Definitely British soldier and not police. Cap badge looks similar to the Royal Artillery one but its too blurred to be certain. If I had to guess a date I would say somewhere between 1910 and 1922. This is a Royal Artillery soldier in a very similar uniform flic.kr/p/4pHH22

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    guliolopez

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:29:23

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Hey (and happy new year!). I wasn't suggesting the photo or notice was from late 19th Century (although the notice could've been there that long - though possibly not in such good condition after 20 years in a wet/watery place). Rather I was supposing that Alderman O'Connell Hackett (or family) was a local landowner (as It's generally uncommon for tenant shoemakers to become mayor. Not twice anyway :) Anyway, I'd say this is a mill race* or something on municipal or O'Connell-Hackett land close to Clonmel. (* Hence the chute above the head of the uniformed man. And the matting to make for surer footing in a permanently wet place.) I am not very familiar with Clonmel at all - but wonder whether this is close to St Patrick's well...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:38:54

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] A Happy New Year to you too... And I wasn't meaning to sound in any way "giving out-y" :) Delighted with matting suggestion "for surer footing in a permanently wet place".

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:41:06

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Very convincing photo, Paul, thanks. Will change date to circa 1915 under your advisement then... P.S. Are you still on Christmas holliers to be chatting to us at this time of day? ;)

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:44:46

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I had a look around Patrick's Well on streetview (before deciding that the prevalence of small mills in Spa was a better bet) but didn't see anything similar.

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:45:43

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ Happy New year Carol, just got back from Ireland so a wee bit jet lagged, can't sleep but at least there's Flickr :-)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:50:56

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Thanks for trying anyway.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:51:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Were you in Waterford for the duration?

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 11:59:30

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/ Yes I was, got to enjoy some of that lovely Irish weather I miss so much :-)

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 12:14:32

    Do you think the soldier is there to prevent the building being co-opted into a soviet like the creamery was?

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 12:17:21

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Doubt it, appears too relaxed and is not armed as far as I can see. It looks more like a photo taken to send home to family to me.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 12:17:26

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] More than willing to run with that theory if you can provide any evidence whatsoever to back it up...

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    Ben's Mate Bill

    • 02/Jan/2014 12:56:20

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Happy New Year! Would this have something to do with the Raheen Mill in Clonmel? www.mooregroup.ie/2010/12/raheen-mill-excavation-clonmel-...

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 13:01:53

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] He's not armed but there must be a weapon somewhere at hand or why does he have the bandolier? I think http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]'s municipal building theory is more likely than a mill though - there's the public nuisance notice and a bench outside.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 13:02:31

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I had a look for Raheen mill in Raheen. No wonder I couldn't find it. I got the hint from this: www.southtippheritage.ie/media/RiverSuirBuiltHeritageSurv...

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 13:06:55

    Equally, it could be the ball court in the old Toberaheena mill. It could be pretty much anything.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 13:21:03

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Raheen mill was fed from a weir across the Suir, so it must have been much bigger than this.

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 13:48:04

    O'Connell Hackett had his last go at being mayor in 1880. I suppose the board could be 20 or 30 years old. 40 seems like a lot.

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 14:08:04

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] There is very likely a weapon near however if he was on duty it would be in his hands, also in the photo who's link I posted above (flic.kr/p/4pHH22) the soldier is also wearing his bandolier but he is in a studio posing with his girlfriend. As far as I know the Clonmel creamery was seized in 1922, if the photo was taken around then it would more likely be a Free State soldier in the photo and not a British one.

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 15:29:44

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] could this be the shower bath that was on the Auk stream at Cascade house I wonder, its mentioned on page 17 of the document you posted above. maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,619919,621589,7,9

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    TEXASJOHN

    • 02/Jan/2014 15:44:19

    Like a dutiful soldier he is waiting outside till his officer finishes doing is business!

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    ofarrl

    • 02/Jan/2014 15:51:53

    Same place I believe but an earlier photo. Steps and matting appear to be the same, also the rock wall behind the cascade. bygoneireland.blogspot.com/2013/05/a-shower-bath-clonmel-... Also in the NLI catalogue catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000335654/Image?lookfor=http:...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 16:37:07

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] What happened your account?

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    derangedlemur

    • 02/Jan/2014 16:41:54

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I missed that (busy trawling for mills) but you're dead right. It is the shower.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Jan/2014 16:53:02

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Jet lag doesn't impede your investigative skills, Paul! So definitely the shower bath, and presumably the one in the townland of Scrothea West, as your document says that these public baths "tapped a waterfall to create an invigorating shower" (page 17)... Huzzah, and thanks to all. Ringing the NLI Flickr bell for the first time in 2014 for Location Identified!

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    Sean Barden

    • 02/Jan/2014 18:55:46

    When researching late nineteenth century water supplies and sewage systems I noticed that the word nuisance was always used to describe raw sewage or effluent and in some newspaper reports from the 1890s it was used as a noun. Could the notice be a warning to users of the shower not to treat it as a public toilet?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Jan/2014 20:38:17

    The Who-Done-It Limerick There once were some baths at Clonmel, Water poured from the falls, not a well. Some simple solutions For making ablutions - Except for the NUISANCE and smell.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Jan/2014 20:56:06

    An Inspector of Nuisances was the title of an office in several English-speaking jurisdictions. In many jurisdictions this term is now archaic, the position and/or term having been replaced by others. In the United Kingdom from the mid 19th century this office was generally associated with public health and sanitation. ... - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuisance#Inspector_of_Nuisances The first Inspector of Nuisances was Thomas Fresh !

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    maorlando - God keeps me as I lean on Him!!

    • 03/Jan/2014 04:14:50

    Y'all are amazing...

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 03/Jan/2014 05:13:27

    Inspector of Nuisances? I love it. Stop annoying people and move on sir.

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    derangedlemur

    • 03/Jan/2014 07:19:57

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairviewdesign "Committing a public nuisance" has been the technical legal term for taking a whizz on the street for as long as I can remember (not very long) so it can't be that archaic.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Jan/2014 15:05:12

    Love Inspector of Nuisances! Had a rummage in some online newspapers, and it looks as if they were always very busy with meat inspections - lots of "putrid sausages", carcases found to be unfit for human consumption were despatched to the Zoo, and so on...

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 04/Jan/2014 03:06:41

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Should get one of those for Toronto, seeing as our Mayor likes to "create annoyances", whizzing in the street among other things...

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    sam2cents

    • 05/Jan/2014 17:39:59

    This is certainly a remarkably educational stream. Always a mystery to be solved and learned from. Keep it coming!

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    lindaspaulding27

    • 06/Jan/2014 15:13:57

    Inspiring

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    jamica1

    • 07/Jan/2014 00:49:39

    My favorite is the concept in law of an "attractive nuisance"

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    dannyod5344

    • 29/Mar/2014 13:37:41

    This is 'The Shower Baths'. They are located in the old bridge Clonmel co Tipperary. It is still there, although the door isn't there but there is a concrete pool behind the solider . Part of the wall is there. The waterfall was knocked by a neighbor along with some of the outer wall in the last decade. The same flooring is still there. And there is also some parts of the changing rooms.

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    huubca

    • 06/Jan/2015 15:59:28

    Anyone who knows what the 'Notice' says?

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    guliolopez

    • 08/Jan/2015 12:40:41

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Noted some time ago that the notice includes a warning: NOTICE - Any person found committing a nuisance here will be prosecuted according to law. Any person prosecuting to conviction a party guilty of committing this nuisance will receive ten shillings reward. O'Connell Hackett. (Henry O’Connell Hackett was mayor of Clonmel for a time)

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    huubca

    • 09/Jan/2015 01:35:39

    Thanks guliolopez. Intriguing, those old messages...

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    secret vest

    • 17/Feb/2015 12:54:42

    This is a shower that would definitely wake you up!!!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Apr/2015 23:35:31

    I have just added this Photo to our 50,000 + View Album https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037/