Where: Leinster, County Kilkenny, Ireland
Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
When: 16 December 1907
Try to find the date or year when this image was made.
Turkeys being delivered to Flynn & Young’s on Conduit Lane in Waterford. Could the chap who's lifting up one of the turkeys be the gentleman on the right in this interior shot of Flynn & Young's??
+++ UPDATE +++
We never did get a definite answer to this question, but we found out some amazing information about how flocks of turkeys or geese, and herds(?) of pigs used be walked, yes walked, many miles to markets back in the day. So our Flynn & Young turkeys above were travelling in comparative luxury!
Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford
Date: 16 December 1907? (a little tenuous, but taken around the same time as this one)
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0520
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
Source: Flickr Commons
Views: 64797
+++ UPDATE +++
We never did get a definite answer to this question, but we found out some amazing information about how flocks of turkeys or geese, and herds(?) of pigs used be walked, yes walked, many miles to markets back in the day. So our Flynn & Young turkeys above were travelling in comparative luxury!
Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford
Date: 16 December 1907? (a little tenuous, but taken around the same time as this one)
NLI Ref: POOLEWP 0520
You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
Views: 64797
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ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
A Model T. Ford !
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia An early one! Are there a load of Ardees in the country? Why am I asking an Australian? :) The only one I know is Ardee in Co. Louth, and there's no way this young woman came all the way from there. Evidence that carts changed hands just like cars and motor bikes?
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I have no idea, sorry. I was going by your own tags on the right --->
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Looking at the tags? Whatever next! As you were then... :)
billh35
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I've only ever heard of the county Louth Ardee...
Niall McAuley
No sign of a T. Ford in Ardee in 1901 or 1911. There's a Thomas Ford, blacksmith, in Cavan (two addresses). Maybe he moved to Ardee later - which would put this after 1911 (VERY tenuous :)
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley As you say, VERY tenuous! :)
John Spooner
This isn't even remotely tenuous, but in 1897 the rector of Ardee was the Rev A Lockett Ford.
TEXASJOHN
The wall with the pipe attached to it looks as if the pipe may have been replaced on more than one occasion!
John Spooner
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] That mixture of stone and brick intrigues me.
blackpoolbeach
Conduit Lane is here on OSI maps "Ard----" could be Ardlee, Ardenagh, Ardlui, Ardlain etc, within the trotting distance of a Waterford donkey.
blackpoolbeach
This could be the very doorway off Conduit Lane. maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Conduit+Lane,+Waterford,+Ireland...
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach Thank you for the trotting distance suggestions! Definitely has to start with ARDE----. I double-checked on the matching photo in Super Duper High Res. And that really could be the very doorway - thanks!
DannyM8
More about what we fail to see rather than what we see? How about Thomas FORan of ARDErra (Pollrone, Kilkenny) he is a farmers son 31 in 1901, and as always!! 43 in 1911. Checking distance on Google maps and its about 20 Miles so quite possible. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000937245/ www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002618840/ If I am correct could that be Mary Foran (12 or 13 in 1907) at the reins?
oaktree_brian_1976
the one horsepower model, very popular...
DannyM8
Anyone else buying into Thomas Foran from Arderra?????
Niall McAuley
Me! Me!
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Love the investigating and surmising, etc. Danny! Only reason I'm dubious is the 20 miles. How long would that take with a donkey and cart? Would you really transport live turkeys all the way to Waterford on bad roads, probably in bad weather?
DannyM8
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] From the late 16th century, English turkeys walked the hundred miles from Norfolk to Leadenhall market in London each year. The journey would take three months and the birds wore special leather boots to protect their feet. Geese wouldn't allow themselves to be shod (hence the phrase 'to shoe a goose' for something difficult) so had their feet dipped in tar and covered with sand. Pigs wore knitted boots with leather soles, and blacksmiths nailed metal plates on to the hooves of cattle. A flock of 1,000 turkeys could be managed by 2 drovers carrying long wands of willow or hazel with red cloth tied on the ends. Turkeys move at about one mile an hour - quicker than geese - but they insisted on roosting at night, so the whole journey took longer. Traffic jams were caused by the vast flocks entering London from East Anglia, Norfolk, and Suffolk in the weeks before Christmas. In America, turkey drives rivalled some of the cattle drives: there are records of an 1863 drive from Iowa to Denver (600 miles) and flocks of 20,000 were common. From old.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?start=8&t=5504 [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/11335484533/] 20 Miles - with a cart and Donkey !!!! I rest My case..........................
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Fascinating! I put it to you however, that I'm still not convinced... :D
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Philistine
John Spooner
I remember a film on the BBC many (about 20 I'd guess) years ago about a Norfolk turkey farmer who felt he was being ripped off by the transport companies and decided to drive his turkeys to London himself, on foot. I'm pretty sure it was based on a true story. Here we are, found it (but it was geese not turkeys, and it was a lorry drivers' strike, and it was nearer 30 years, but still):
From www.focuspublications.net/life/pages/GooseRun.htm And it was channel4, not BBC. Trailer at 3:28 www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4g_VORPp_QDannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner Fantastic but will the Philistine (Carol) believe it???
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It'd take a Christmas Miracle to make a believer out of me! http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland To my favorite Philistine "There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle." Albert Einstein http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner
Photoamble.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnspooner That was the us usual or easy way to make an opening in a rubble wall . Bricks were handy to handle .
John Spooner
https://www.flickr.com/photos/photoamble Thanks. That makes sense.
oldirelandincolour
A related photo - from the side - www.historicalpicturearchive.com/shop/pictures/wt-00425/