Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
early film of the exhibition: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jWQtm5SVrA
GoogleVanTootle - goo.gl/maps/vM7J2 .
Or if you're beginning to feel a lot like Christmas - goo.gl/maps/Jif5D
Curiously the Cork Examiner retrospective "Picture That" makes no mention of the 1902 exhibition but does mention the huge popularity of the 1889 exhibition
Red herring - the Google van Tootles INTO the building behind - beware, it's difficult to find the way out! - goo.gl/maps/oO7Vm
GeoHive OS 25" from 1899
Posters for the Spring Show at the Corn Exchange.
And posters for Matthews Minstrels.
The good ship Excelsior, presumably.
Edit: Though actually, there is a Clyde built trawler called Excel.
Now that I look at the boat, I couldn't say it's not Excel, but equally, I couldn't say it is.
I wonder if this is the right EXCEL, abandoned off Wicklow in November 1901? - www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/1811...
Ed - "The "Excel," of Poole, official No. 74,611, was a British sailing ship, built of wood in the year 1876, by Messrs. James and John Saunders, of Hamworthy, of Poole, and was registered at the Port of Poole. She was ketch rigged with two masts. Her dimensions, as per register, were as follows: length 78.5 ft., breadth 205 ft., depth of hold 8.85 ft. Her net registered tonnage 57.77 tons; Mr. Andrew Robinson. of Annalong, County Down, being the registered managing-owner. ... "
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Definitely 5 letters in the word.
The Spring Show poster is definitely a Wednesday, and could be 24th of something.
Date coulld be April 1901 or June 1903
No, I believe it is Wednesday 2xth April
No help really, 23rd is 1902, 22nd is 1903
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Searching in all online newspapers for the Spring Show in Cork and the Matthews' Bros Minstrels but nothing so far...
Hmmm, if this was after 1898, there would be tramtracks here in three directions here, as on the 1899 map: over the bridge to the left, up Anglesea Street to the right, and along the quay straight ahead.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I found several Excel ketches but the one in the picture looks like a barque.
I wonder if this photograph is from 1883 and not 1902? . The evidence being, there is no tram evidence (1898) , the large lifting derrick beside Parnell Bridge-- presence suggests it was used in its construction (opened on 18 November 1882), and the fact that the 1883 Cork Exhibition was held in the Corn Exchange itself whereas the 1902 exhibition was held in the Mardike, The 1902 exhibition was known as The Cork International Exhibition.
I see Matthews Minstrels in the Rotunda in 1883!
Matthews CCC Minstrels, if you look closely at the poster, the CCC is below Minstrels
Matthews Brothers the Original C.C.C. Registered Christy Minstrels
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] The Matthews CCC Minstrels were dissolved in May 1884 ( 5th paragraph on left)......QED so 1883.
I can't help but think this is the 1889 Exhibition, the number certainly suggests this anyway
This archive shot shows a tram at the bridge, and you can see large posts carrying overhead tram wires in front on the quay opposite. These do not appear here: this is the 1883 exhibition.
There is another NLI "Cork Exhibition" photo to support all this 1883 talk - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000337553/Image?lookfor=http:...
Photo of the opening of the 1883 Exhibition: www.corkarchives.ie/merchantcity/home/merchantprinces/cor...
A companion Lawrence photo to our main one, this time of the hall itself: archiseek.com/2013/city-hall-cork/#.UpXkwqBONc0
Another image of the 1883 exhibition: www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/8296249836/
Apologies. Hanging head in shame! I was led astray by Wheeeeee. Changing date now.
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Well. Shucks. Another Cork one that I missed. Serves me right for having a day-job. I don't have a lot to add at this point. The subject is unequivocal (Corn Market and original Parnell/Angelsea Bridge). And it seems like the date is now spot-on too (Corroborated at 1883).
The city-hall/bridge/road/quay and streetscape in the foreground has changed a lot (arson and bridge reconstruction).
But the warehouses in the background are recognisable and unchanged today: The bonded warehousing of the Customs House (now CHC) in left-middle-ground, and the warehousing of the Albert Road Railway Station* in right-middle-ground. (*which seems to be linked to every Cork photo posted somehow). It isn't clear to me whether these warehouses fall under the protected status of the terminal building. But, given their age I hope they remain unchanged for yet another 150 years.
The only bit of additional local "did you know" that I can offer at this point is the fact the ornate lampstands from the original swing bridge (as seen in "our" photo) weren't lost when the bridge was rebuilt. They are in the little "park" on the northside of the bridge.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Great stuff - glad the lamps survived, but someone pinched the peculiar stove-pipe top bit.
Strikes me that the bridge has a chain across and is swung open for a ship which many of the folk are watching pass.
Also someone ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ?) might be clever enough to work out the date and/or month (springtime) from the time (16:43), lat and long (51.897244, -8.486666), and direction, length and angle of the shadows. Only as an intellectual exercise, since we are not getting very far with info about The Good Ship EXCEL.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Hard to tell with the angle of the shadows (about 30 - 45 degrees into the view) and the camber on the road but I think from the length and direction, June fits them better than April. It looks later than 16:43 though, especially when you allow for summer time not having been intorduced yet. I wonder if the clock is broken. Judging the depth a shadow runs into a photo is very tricky as you never know how foreshortened the image is. The only reliable way is to get a shadow along a bit of architecture and measure it against the OS 25", but that's too much trouble at this hour of the day. I'll go for June.
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I don't really understand this app, but here is the sun angle etc, set for 16:43 on 1/6/1883 - www.suncalc.net/#/51.8971,-8.4668,14/1883.06.01/16:43
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia That app shows the sun coming straight up the quay, i.e. WSW, at 16:43, whereas if you move it round to 18:00, you get the sun from due west, about 20 degrees above the horizon.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's complicated ... !
If we assume the clock is wrong, it looks like any day in June at between quarter past five and quarter to six. I'm pretty sure it's not earlier than late May or later than early July. This would seem to confirm http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] and http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley in their view of it being 1883.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I think the photograph was taken before the Exhibition which opened in early July. Two and a half reasons. There are posters for the Spring Show which in previous years was held in May. Any later than May Mr.Bill Poster would have been busy!! There are no flags or bunting to be seen yet contemporary illustration show the place festooned with them.
in 1883, the Spring Show poster must read Wednesday 25th April. Unless Bill Stickers was very idle, those posters would surely have been covered by June.
The text above the Minstrels poster is headed THE ----- ----- CORK. I think it may say THE OPERA HOUSE CORK. The Opera House opened in 1855.
An Irish Times archive search for CORK OPERA MINSTREL gives three hits in April 1883: 16th, 17th and 20th, all on Page 2.
According to the Opera House website, it was not called the Opera House until 1877, but still in time for this photo :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley While you could have got the sun round far enough to get the shadow direction shown in at six o'clock mid April, it would only have been ten degrees above the horizon. I think the shadows are too short for that.
Delighted to see the respect ye all have for the industrious Bill Posters and Bill Stickers! Those two don't get half the appreciation they should.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Huzzah! From Niall's alert, I checked the Irish Times digital archive and...
Wednesday, 11 April 1883
Matthews' C.C.C. Minstrels were in the Round Room at the Rotunda in Dublin for 10 nights around the middle of April (you could order carriages to pick you up at 10)
Tuesday, 17 April 1883
Matthews' C.C.C. Minstrels still at the Round Room in Dublin BUT "Must Close Saturday Next" partly because "NEXT MONDAY" (23rd April 1883) the Matthews' C.C.C. Minstrels were off to the Opera House at Cork for one week!!
I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album.