Where: Waterford, Ireland
Try to find the spot where the photographer was standing.
When: 03 November 1899
Try to find the date or year when this image was made.
(And these finely moustachioed gentlemen were actually photographed in November of 1899!)
There's a wee mystery here. Most of these chaps are either tradesmen and/or members of the 3rd Division, Ambulance (probably in Waterford)? Could that have been a voluntary body? What say you, Flickroonies?
Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford
Date: Friday, 3 November 1899
NLI Ref.: POOLEIMP 682
This photograph features in our Working Lives, 1893-1913 exhibition at the National Photographic Archive in Temple Bar, Dublin.
Source: Flickr Commons
Views: 94271
There's a wee mystery here. Most of these chaps are either tradesmen and/or members of the 3rd Division, Ambulance (probably in Waterford)? Could that have been a voluntary body? What say you, Flickroonies?
Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford
Date: Friday, 3 November 1899
NLI Ref.: POOLEIMP 682
This photograph features in our Working Lives, 1893-1913 exhibition at the National Photographic Archive in Temple Bar, Dublin.
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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The CommonsSource: Flickr Commons
Views: 94271
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DannyM8
There is a little dog
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
Does the dog have a mo too?
derangedlemur
Hard to say if they're military or not. The military jackets look genuine but their wearers seem fairly scruffy. When did Army Bargains first open?
DannyM8
The young man on the top left is a conscientious objector
derangedlemur
The photo before this is the 3rd Division Ambulance, which makes more sense than 3rd Ambulance Division.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Now changed to 3rd Division, Ambulance - thank you.
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ambulance is where conshies generally ended up, but how can you tell?
derangedlemur
The tradesmen may just be matey with the Ambulance NCOs so they're getting photographed together, or they may be reservists being called up.
derangedlemur
3rd division fought in the boer war. They may be on the point of being shipped out in this picture.
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Only one with no Mo!
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Ah. A Mobjector.
DannyM8
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] Exactly
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
Can I ask, are all of you having problems with the Flickr map? I haven't been able to add a photo directly since about last Tuesday - just keeping getting that error message: D'oh. The map could not be loaded. Please try later
Niall McAuley
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland I just tried adding a photo to the map, and it worked. The sequence has changed because this "new experience" Beta page doesn't work, but it kicked me over to the old Organizr page, which worked fine.
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
The moustache is the evolutionary next level to enlightenment. - Oscar Wilde I wonder what he meant by that? Does anyone know?
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia No, but I can imagine him smiling away at people puzzled about it a century later! :)
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley Thanks Niall. Have to search by name on the full Organizr map, don't you? I don't think Lat and Long co-ordinates work there. Not to worry.
whatsthatpicture
Nice one! I may regret posting this here, but each November I donate 10p for every 'view' of this image of mine (which is getting rather expensive with the way Flickr has changed its stats reporting!) ... http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture/6345660978/
ɹǝqɯoɔɥɔɐǝq
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture Ha! Never mind, it's only mo-ney ... clicks the refresh button a couple of hundred times ...
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture Lovely idea, James! And you, http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia, the words buachaill dána were invented to describe you... :)
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia Is it not easier just to tape down F5?
whatsthatpicture
http://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia I'll let you off seeing as you very generously sponsored me on my 5,000 mile challenge (do you miss those monthly emails?!), but don't go giving the others ideas ... argggghhhhh, seeing the response from http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] it's too late ;) http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Thanks Carol (and thanks internet for the translation!). I see you met the lovely Nicole from ANMM last week.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatsthatpicture I did indeed! We had a great chinwag about life, the universe, and everything - plus a bit about Flickr. :)
Swordscookie
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland Whats this? I thought Flickr was life, the universe and everything:-) Great shot but unless a name is found then it is unlikely that there will be much progress in identifying the rest or the circumstances. That young lad without the Mo looks really cheesed off to be the outsider:-)
derangedlemur
[http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] If you check catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000035934, one of the sergeants may be Sergeant Emerson. I haven't had time to look in detail myself.
ofarrl
NCO's are Royal Field Artillery and I believe this is probably Waterford's Artillery barracks. The men in civilian clothes might be reservists. catalogue.nli.ie/Record/P_WP_1129/Image?lookfor=http://ww...
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] It's the same dog anyway.
ofarrl
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ hadn't spotted the dog, old eyes are not what they used to be.
TEXASJOHN
The pooch is not a volunteer. LOL
Niall McAuley
Another possibility: Waterford Militia as in this archive snapshot.
ofarrl
The sergeant in the center appears to have a trade badge above his stripes signifying he is an artificer and the lance bombardier with the single chevron on the right looks like he might have a saddle makers badge on his sleeve.
Niall McAuley
In 1899 several battalions of the Irish militia were embodied to be sent to South Africa
Niall McAuley
Waterford Royal Garrison Artillery (Militia)
derangedlemur
So if they're garrison artillery (as they appear to be), where did 3rd division ambulance come from? The garrison artillery wouldn't be attached to a division. Also, I think the ambulances were only taken off the regiments and attached to division towards the end of the Boer war as part of Kitchener's reforms (the ones that got him nicknamed K of Chaos), so if they were ambulance, they'd be such and such regiment ambulance, 3rd division.
ofarrl
The sergeant on the left wearing spurs is definitely Royal Field Artillery, impossible to say really who the men in civilian clothes were, new recruits or reservists/militia. The photo has a very relaxed unmilitary feel to it.
derangedlemur
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] I'm not doubting that they're artillery men - just wondering why http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland thought they were 3rd division ambulance. Was it just because the adjacent photo is?
ofarrl
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/ Good question, I don't see anything to suggest anything to do with ambulance however at least some of them appear to be tradesmen.
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
If I've been casting red herrings, it was completely unintentional. All we originally had for this one was tradesmen. But when one of our NPA people did a check for me, he was also finding "Tradesmen group.( plain clothes),3rd Div.Ambulance"...
grytlappar
It's mustache central!
La Belle Province
A stash of staches.
ofarrl
I think its most likely these men are new recruits for the Boer war and tradesmen as the caption in the catalogue states, the sergeant in the middle and the lance bombardier on the back right are both army tradesmen. The other photo in the catalogue titled Officers group, third division, ambulance column shows what I believe are members of the Royal Army Medical Corps at Waterford infantry barracks. They were more then likely with the 5th Brigade, 3rd division under Major General Fitzroy Hart and might be some of the 5 officers and 78 men of the Medical Field Hospital Corps that sailed from Queenstown on the S.S. Servia on Monday, November 6, 1889 bound for South Africa. Composition of the 3rd Division Third Division. Major-General Sir W. F. Gatacre. 5th Brigade (Irish Brigade): Major-General Hart. 1st battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Irish Rifles. 1st battalion Connaught Rangers. 1st battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Supply column (Train Co. No. 30). Litter Bearer Co. No. 16. Field Ambulance No. 10. 6th Brigade (Fusilier Brigade):Major-General Barton. 2d battalion Royal Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers. 1st battalion Royal Welsh Fusiliers. 2d battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers. Supply column (Train Co. No. 36). Litter Bearer Co. No. 17. Field Ambulance No. 11. 1 squadron 14th Hussars. Field Batteries Nos. 74, 77 and 79 (6 guns each). Ammunition column (1 reserve gun). Field Engineer Co. No. 12. Supply column (Train Co. No. 33). Field Ambulance No. 7.
eyelightfilms
Those two at the back left are definite troublemakers.
arkelly1001
These are Gentlemen, Salute!! !
bobgbennett
There are four uniformed soldiers in the photo, on the left a Sergeant of Royal Field Artillery (see spurs) in undress and on the right, sitting and standing, two more men of the RFA in undress. The Bombardier (one stripe then) is a collar and saddletree maker (see badge of a bit above his rank). The final soldier, standing at centre rear, is a Sergeant Ordnance Artificer of the Army Ordnance Corps (see shield shaped collar badges and his crossed hammer and pincers badge above chevrons). All four soldiers have dark blue uniforms and the decorations on the sleeves (trefoil knots), collar and shoulder straps, are golden yellow.
Rinaldo_
Fantastic!
Kombizz
nice one
National Library of Ireland on The Commons
I have just added this photo to our 50,000+ Views Album https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/sets/72157651136879037