The Doyle Wedding

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When: 01 January 1943

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We had a request from Salty Windows for photographs of Graiguenamanagh in Co. Kilkenny, and for this one specifically. He showed it to his Dad who "rattled off nearly all the names", so we're hoping to fill in a lot of information on this large wedding group. It turns out that the Daniel Doyle who ordered the photograph was in fact the groom.

Many thanks to Salty Windows' Dad for naming 15 of the 16 people in this photograph, and for sharing the story of his driving lessons at age 9!

Photographer: Poole Photographic Studios, Waterford

Date: 1940s?

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 4579

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Sep/2013 08:06:43

    Are those pioneer pins?

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    DannyM8

    • 05/Sep/2013 08:08:07

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] If they are - it would have been a dryish wedding!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 05/Sep/2013 08:41:05

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] They absolutely are Pioneer pins!

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Sep/2013 08:53:16

    The Pioneer and Total Abstinence Association of the Sacred Heart thanks to Paddy Boshell for the copy certificate Date issued October 1975

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    Niall McAuley

    • 05/Sep/2013 08:58:28

    Pioneer pin

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 05/Sep/2013 09:03:24

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] This is the Very Revd. Dr. Spratt, President of the Irish Total Abstinence Society (Mega Zoomable). I looked him up in the Dictionary of Irish Biography...

    ... In 1860 he founded the Catholic Asylum for the Female Blind and rented Portobello House as the charity's premises. Run by the Sisters of Charity, the institution was moved to Merrion Gates in 1868. In 1861 he rented Stove Tenter House off Cork St. and founded St Joseph's Night Refuge for women and children. Appointed provincial of the Carmelite order in Ireland (1863), he became increasingly involved in the temperance movement and was an associate of Fr Theobald Mathew and James Haughton. He founded the French St. Temperance Society, but in 1871 began to suffer from ill-health. Doctors diagnosed circulation problems and recommended that he take alcohol, but he refused to do so. On 27 May 1871, while administering the total abstinence pledge, he died of a sudden heart attack at Whitefriars St. church. He was buried in Glasnevin cemetery, near the tomb of Daniel O'Connell...

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/Sep/2013 10:18:26

    It seems to have been taken somewhere perishing cold. They all look frozen, despite all the woolly jumpers.

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    La Belle Province

    • 05/Sep/2013 11:30:16

    The ladies' hats with the turned-up brims are very sweet.

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    Reconstructing Light

    • 05/Sep/2013 16:19:11

    Ya wll, ya will, ya will............................... No sign of Pat Mustard, luckily.

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    DannyM8

    • 05/Sep/2013 16:38:30

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Niall you missed a pin on the Lady most right back row.

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    TEXASJOHN

    • 05/Sep/2013 17:52:20

    I would think this was taken at a time that most men wore hats outdoors. But not indoors! Thank you.

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    derangedlemur

    • 05/Sep/2013 18:41:43

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Looks like it was taken at a time when most men wore motorcycle helmets outdoors but not indoors.

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    Salty Windows

    • 05/Sep/2013 21:00:27

    I remember the gentleman second from the right, front row, visiting to our home when I was a youngster. Willie Rourke. He would be 90-95 now if he was still alive. 1940s would be right so. Ballyogan correct also. Bride's maidan name was Heffernan. Wed in Glynn, Co Carlow. Should have much more info in a couple of weeks. Very interesting to see the detailed shot.

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    Bwana_Samaki

    • 05/Sep/2013 21:27:34

    Doyle's pub in Graiguenamanagh is place where you can buy a pound of ham, fishing tackle, a bar of soap and a lavish pint. Not a Pioneer to be seen about the place.

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    constance taylor

    • 06/Sep/2013 00:12:34

    Bet they all wanted a drink.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Sep/2013 07:54:45

    Here is a Daniel Doyle of Graiguenamanagh in the 1911 census, aged 1.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Sep/2013 08:18:12

    Someone with Newspaper archive access might check: Thursday, September 10, 1942, Indo P2, WEDDING BELLS Saturday, September 26, 1942, Press P3, Births, Marriages and Deaths

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    andreadoylemccabe

    • 06/Sep/2013 08:55:35

    We are the Doyles of Ballyogan,Still live their!!!! Doing a bit of research here too..:)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2013 09:12:17

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Thanks Andrea! Come back to us if you have any information...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2013 09:13:21

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] "Someone" did, but no go! Lots of Doyles mentioned but not ours...

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    blackpoolbeach

    • 06/Sep/2013 12:11:35

    By a strange coincidence I have been in Blackpool Central Library this week, studying the Temperance Movement. There were a few Temperance Hotels around in the 1911 census.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Sep/2013 12:21:28

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackpoolbeach] You have wide-ranging interests, Old Pete! These are some of our Temperance establishments...

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    ziffer?

    • 06/Sep/2013 16:12:04

    Is this where Lyall Lovett found his style?

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    brian.edmondson2007

    • 10/Sep/2013 16:53:07

    How did guys get their hair to stand up like that?

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    Salty Windows

    • 23/Sep/2013 21:24:20

    The line-up: Back Row: left to right: Edmond Hayden (Ballyogan), Kathy Heffernan (Bride's sister), Michael o'Neill (Ballyogan), Lizzie Heffernan (sister), Paddy Dowling (Ballyogan). Middle Row: John Byrne (Glynn), Agnes Byrne (wife of John), Tom Dunphy (St Mullins), Daniel Doyle (Ballyogan), Minnie Heffernan (of Coolyhune), Jim Heffernan (brother), Mog Byrne (friend of Bride). Front Row: Fr McWee (curate Glynn), Nelly Heffernan (sister), Willie Rourke (friend of Bride), Unknown as yet. The groom's side were from Ballyogan, a couple of miles from Graiguenamanagh on the Kilkenny side of the river. The bride's side were from Coolyhune, a couple of miles out the Carlow side. They got married in Glynn church and lived on the farm in Ballyogan. Daniel had a brother Mick Doyle. Not sure why he is isn't in the picture. Given that they hired Poole to take the picture it would seem obvious that other shots were taken. Perhaps this is a more informal grouping. John was a publican in Glynn. (not unusual for publicans to be teetotallers). His father was a bone setter. He married Agnes in 1948. Agnes continued running the pub after John's untimely death in 1973. South Dublin library have a radio interview where she describes life in Glynn and the importance of the pub as part of the community: source.southdublinlibraries.ie/handle/10599/8510 Glynn is the ancestral home of Michael Flatley and he visited the pub on his honeymoon in Ireland. www.independent.ie/regionals/carlowpeople/news/newly-weds... Michael o'Neill had a taxi business and eventually a road haulage business. He gave my dad his first taste of driving at the age of about 9 (eventually growing up enough to do some hackey work and driving Michael Flatley's parents to the plane in Shannon). The Byrnes were born around 1927/28 so if we can guess the age they are in the picture we might get a good idea of when the picture was taken. (late 40's perhaps).

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 24/Sep/2013 08:47:57

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Thanks a million, Gerry! I've added notes on each of the people in the photo. Please thank your dad from all of us here at the library. Great to name so many. I bet the one final "Unknown as yet" will not defeat him for long... :)

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 24/Sep/2013 09:08:06

    Brilliant result and congratulations on getting so many names. Well done to salty windows for providing the names and details, a little bit of social history completed.

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    Salty Windows

    • 24/Sep/2013 18:54:35

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] No problem Carol! He loves these old shots and is fascinated that we can easily access them. He's only too happy to confirm the names with the local seniors. He was working off the low res' image so maybe the higher res' shot might throw up a little more info. Nice to give something back to the NLI!

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 26/Sep/2013 10:41:00

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] And he's certainly giving something back! Between your dad and other locals, Mr Unknown will soon have a name, I'm sure of it... :)