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When: 01 January 1870

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A bit of an odd one for you today. Any hope of finding out where this well was? Probably not a Holy Well, despite the religious lines and biblical reference? Perhaps in the grounds of a private house?

Some images before this one in the series of Stereo Pairs are from Co. Down, but no geographical information on this or the following one...

Date: 1863-1880

NLI Ref: STP_2245

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 08:43:24

    I think I've seen this before somewhere. I'll have a bit of a cogitate.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2013 08:45:22

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] And maybe even a bit of a meditate too...

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 08:46:28

    Ex 25.2 is "Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring me an offering: of every man that giveth it willingly with his heart ye shall take my offering."

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 08:47:55

    Rhododendrons. I wonder is it Hillsboro? (Or west Cork or Achill?)

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 08:53:13

    Hmm. Bracken, big gardens, crudely built pseudo-religious rubble. Was it Howth head?

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 16/May/2013 09:02:35

    Searching furiously but not doing too good yet. I have a sense that it is up north rather than down south but I don't have any thing to support that.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 09:03:53

    Where else looks like that? The bottom of Slieve Donard.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 09:05:00

    Actually, it's very like that. There used to be a big house there, though there's nothing left now except the ice house and various follies.

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 16/May/2013 09:05:43

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] the nearest well to that would appear to have been St Fintans well in Sutton but that is now gone, disappeared, destroyed!

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 09:08:21

    I suspect somewhere up here: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,736873,829963,6,7

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 09:09:10

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] I don't think it's a spring. I think it's a mountain stream.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 10:34:58

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] Incidentally, if it is Howth, there's a load of wells in peoples' gardens around the head: maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,729576,738976,7,9. You never know what tasteless individual may have constructed such a thing.

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    guliolopez

    • 16/May/2013 10:35:00

    I think we're in Tollymore here. It's been 22 years since I was there, so will have to search the braincells, but I think I remember some class of a well.... (Or maybe it;'s Glenariff... think think)

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    guliolopez

    • 16/May/2013 10:47:43

    The more I think about it, I am pretty sure there is some kind of a well/shrine/thingy near "the hermitage" in Tollymore. Certainly there are other plaques and religiony stuff about the place. Maybe someone who was there more recently (than 1991) might remember?

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 10:58:50

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] That's what I reckon too, but it's a couple of years since I went up Donard and even longer since I explored the national park.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 11:00:35

    It also looks like just the sort of thing you'd find in St Anne's in Raheny but I'm pretty sure it's not there.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 16/May/2013 11:02:21

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Re Tollymore/Tullymore - any of these jog your memory??

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 12:24:01

    Beyond making more sure that it's there, no. I think it's near the Donard falls. You need to ask a local.

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    Sean Barden

    • 16/May/2013 12:45:23

    My Guide to Tollymore forest Park from 1955 mentions several monuments and features some of which have verses inscribed on them but nothing like this I'm afraid.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 12:46:58

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/fairviewdesign] Pity. You were the local I was thinking of.

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    Sean Barden

    • 16/May/2013 12:49:38

    Next time Im in the park I will keep my eye out for it - would be better still if I could get a chat with one of the rangers.

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    Bernard Healy

    • 16/May/2013 13:49:03

    Certainly not a 'Holy Well'... The verselet implies that the water is drunk for pleasure rather than devotion/healing, etc... The phrasing and the term 'Missionary Box' suggest the Protestant tradition rather than the Catholic tradition, IMO.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/May/2013 14:04:07

    Seems reasonable. I'd have thought even the reference to Exodus looked a bit protestant. To the extent that I've noticed (not much, admittedly), such references as you do see on RC monuments tend to be new testament.

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    Sean Barden

    • 16/May/2013 17:20:09

    I tend to agree and this makes me think of the location being in an estate like Tollymore or elsewhere where I could envisage a female member of the family expressing such feelings.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/May/2013 21:57:28

    The Penny Wish Limerick So wishing wells are very many This one could be almost any. A coin in the dish - A long dreamed of wish - Heaven's found spending a penny!

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    John Spooner

    • 17/May/2013 07:07:55

    I have no insights into location or date, but I did come across this from The Belfast News-Letter, Tuesday, September 29, 1857, in an account of the annual meeting of the Diocesan Branch of the Society for the Promotion of Christianity among the Jews (yes, really).

    Mr Kronheim in the course of his address, introduced the story of a Yorkshireman, who, after attending a missionary meeting and seeing a missionary box there, he thought that he should have one to, and when he returned home, he got an old ox horn, and wrote upon it -
    "This horn once grew on the head of an ox, Now it's turned into a missionary box."
    (Laughter),
    He had been debarred from passing round a collection plate, but finished his speech by holding up a scale and saying
    "This scale is not a plate, but it is a scale, And I hope to put something therein you will not fail." (Loud laughter)

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 07:44:13

    I've just checked with a local from Newcastle. He says it definitely looks like Tollymore but he doesn't recognise it at all.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/May/2013 09:48:19

    Could this one be the new Mwah Ha Ha one that tortures us for months?!

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 17/May/2013 09:51:21

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I think so and given it's size and the nature of the beast it may no longer exist or have been destroyed shortly after the shot was taken. I spent several hours yesterday going through holy wells on Flickr, Google and elsewhere trying the find something useful but I suspect that it was in a garden or a park up North and is no longer with us. And take that satisfied smile off your face young woman or your face will freeze like that:-)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/May/2013 10:19:38

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] Wouldn't dream of smirking! How could you even suspect such a thing? ;)

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 10:56:31

    2246 is similar to the Annesley Grotto: www.geograph.ie/photo/3144792

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/May/2013 11:08:47

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Excuse my geographical ignorance. Is that on or near Tollymore Estate as was? I'm wondering if this'd be worth a look...

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 12:44:27

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] It's over the east side of Tollymore, just south-west of Newcastle. I'd say that's definitely worth a look.

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    guliolopez

    • 17/May/2013 12:50:20

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I hadn't thought to look at the other pics in the series. 2246 is almost certainly the "hermitage" in Tollymore. [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] If it is the grotto in Donard, then 0- yes Carol - Donard is right next door to Tollymore (other side of Newcastle)

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 12:51:03

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] I think it's somewhere over this side: maps.google.ie/?ll=54.199429,-5.900731&spn=0.007556,0...

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 12:52:52

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The one in the catalogue looks a bit more crudely built but that could well be it.

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 13:00:40

    The bridge looks a bit different in this then and now brochure, but I couldn't make a definitive pronouncement based on it. www.dardni.gov.uk/forestservice/tollymore_forest_park_cha...

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    derangedlemur

    • 17/May/2013 13:18:11

    Checking the angles with google streetview, 2242 is definitely taken from round the Donard side - the mountain in the background is the wrong shape from anywhere else. Anyway, in sum, I think I was close enough with the tenth post that we should deputise someone do go up there with a camera and have a look around.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/May/2013 13:48:19

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Good idea on the deputising front! We haven't lost anyone on a Flickr Field Trip yet...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 14/Jul/2013 19:58:44

    I found this! Donard Park, Newcastle, Co. Down.

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    guliolopez

    • 15/Jul/2013 15:56:41

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] Wayhay. So we were all (sort of) right. Now all we need is an (almost) local to go and try and see if it's still there :)

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 15/Jul/2013 16:12:44

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Roared laughing when I saw it! And as you say, all (sort of) right...

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 15/Jul/2013 21:13:09

    Whoever goes to find it, remember to take a penny.

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    derangedlemur

    • 16/Jul/2013 09:19:29

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] What do you mean "sort of"? I've been pushing the Donard theory all along. I demand a prize.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 16/Jul/2013 09:31:16

    [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] A virtual prize - well done! - [http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/7380037646/]