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I keep thinking I have seen this photograph before? We are back in Ballsbridge with this fine shot from Mr French. There is a lot going on which would suggest Spring Show or Horse Show? From a dating point of view I see no sign of the internal combustion engine.

As usual we had excellent input on the date and location of this image. On the latter, BeachcomberAustralia suggests that French captured this image from the window of a building (now a restaurant) just west of the bridge. On the date, Niall McAuley's investigations on the businesses pictured (and the electrified tram lines) that this image likely dates from the very early 1900s (possibly c.1901-1906).....

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Photographer: Robert French

Collection: Lawrence Photograph Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1865-1914. Possibly c.1901-1906 (businesses)

NLI Ref: L_CAB_08703

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:07:09

    Interesting Flicker will not allow the tag "Balls Bridge"

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:10:34

    In last week's episode: Ballsbridge, Dublin City, Co. Dublin

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:14:11

    Datewise, electric trams mean after 1896 per wikipedia

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:40:10

    A busy time of day - can anyone see a clock ? Moments later - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000041053 Months later (by the creeper on the building on right) - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318648 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000318558

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:40:43

    Fagan Brothers in the 1911 census, I think the first shop is Beatty, if blurred. In [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]'s later shot, definitely P.J. Beatty per the 1911 census. No sign of John J. Johnson, J.T. Hart or Patrick Doyle in 1911.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 08:50:02

    In 1901 the Fagans were in Great Britain St, so after that date.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 09:02:44

    Also in that later shot, we see that the premises beyond Fagans with the curved brick wall is Charles Ramsey & Son, nurserymen. in 1911, Daniel Ramsay seems to be the boss. Ditto in 1901.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 09:16:54

    While today's shot and L_ROY_09120 both have electric trams, that one has an electric streetlight outside Ramsay's place and another at the RDS gates, this one does not. Fashions look brighter - straw hats, white blouses - 1905-10 ish. As a Lawrence, it is definitely 1914 or earlier. It also includes a motor car. So, we are after 1901 (Fagans), before 1914. I think nearer the beginning of that range.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 22/Nov/2017 09:24:03

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] They seem to have kept the name Charles Ramsay - you can find Daniel Livingston Ramsay making claims in 1916 for plants destroyed in various hotels during the Rising.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 22/Nov/2017 09:43:47

    Here's a Bit of Fun !! Mr French / Lawrence was upstairs in the building behind. Serendipitously Google Streetview goes inside AND upstairs what looks to be a Chinese restaurant, Kites. Was this window Mr French's lookout ? - www.google.ie/maps/@53.3292305,-6.2319814,2a,51y,134.89h,... [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia/38521090986/]See the dark arch above the wall ...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 22/Nov/2017 10:02:34

    The pub labelled John J. Johnson here is now Crowe's. According to Crowe's website: Crowes Pub was established in 1906 by Timothy and Catherine Crowe who hailed from Limerick and Tipperary respectively. Sure enough, here they are in the 1911 census, so we are before 1906. Morgan Crowe is 4 in 1911.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 23/Nov/2017 00:05:03

    Thanks all! Excellent work on the dating [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. Have updated the date and description. That is a nice thought [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] (on French's vantage point). I wonder if Mr French had the fried rice?

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    jamica1

    • 23/Nov/2017 16:45:40

    Great mix of modes of transportation.

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    Thom's 1904

    • 19/Mar/2018 16:03:43

    For Joyceans: episode 10 of Ulysses closes just before the viceregal cavalcade reaches this bridge from the lower left, heading for the bazaar further down Merrion road around 4pm. Thom's 1904 page 1635 (ulyssespages.blogspot.com/p/index-to-thoms-1904-page-imag...) lists Fagan's and Ramsey's businesses. The 1909 OSI map mentions a "Riverview Ho" -- would this be a hotel where the photographer was positioned?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 19/Mar/2018 17:12:50

    Thanks [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] - Interesting hypothesis

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Mar/2018 18:22:24

    I think Riverview Ho on the OSI map is East of the bridge at left, Hart and Beatty's premises.