Irish Boundary Commission's first sitting in Ireland

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Where: 3 The Mall, Armagh BT61, UK

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When: 01 December 1924

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In another rare visit to a seldom visited collection. As with other images in the Hogan-Wilson collection, typically this is from the period of the War of Independence/Civil War and aftermath. Indeed, some historians might argue that this was the seeding of future strife. The title, Irish Boundary Commission with their first Irish meeting, might indicate that there was a previous meeting elsewhere(?)

Photographer: W. D. Hogan

Collection: Hogan Wilson Collection

Date: 9 December 1924

NLI Ref.: HOG88

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Jan/2017 09:20:51

    This photograph appeared on page 3 of the Irish Independent on Thursday, 11 December 1924. Here's the line up:

    Group taken after the arrival of the members of the Boundary Commission, with Secretaries, at Armagh. - Left to right - Mr. F. B. Bourdillon, C.B.E., M.A. (Secretary to Commission); Mr. J. R. Fisher (Northern Ireland), Mr. Justice Feetham (Chairman), Dr. Eoin MacNeill (Free State representative), and Mr. C. Beerstacher (private secretary to Mr. Justice Feetham). - Photo, Hogan.

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    guliolopez

    • 06/Jan/2017 11:29:08

    As with Cork photos, I can't let a Hogan image go past without a comment :) While the members of the commission likely had some positivity when this image was captured, within 12 months the commission would effectively collapse and become almost entirely redundant. As per the Wikipedia article which [https://www.flickr.com/photos/cassidyphotography] links, things didn't start well - Stormont refused to send a rep outright - which is why Fisher was appointed by Whitehall. With a year, a draft of the commission's report would be leaked. This contained some unexpected recommendations. Leading to the resignation of some members. While the commission continued, the various governments came to their own agreement on the border - ignoring the commission's report. Which wasn't then made public for another 45 years. As such, the main "future strife" that was caused was less about what the commission did itself - rather what they (in effect) didn't manage to do....

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/Jan/2017 11:54:36

    I know very little about all this, but this Trove article, published less than a month after the photo, highlights a ridiculous 'sixpence a parcel' tax on shopping taken across the border. trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/123844920 Virtual prize to the first to work out the doorway in Armagh ... ... !

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    O Mac

    • 06/Jan/2017 13:10:07

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]N03] This is same house on the Mall, Armagh. Note vent bottom left paving joints and boot scraper. It's a wonder it's not marked considering all the 'trouble'. www.google.ie/maps/@54.3488998,-6.6491373,3a,40.2y,34.66h... The other Hogan, while having the same date, was taken somewhere else? catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000218271

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Jan/2017 13:26:31

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Bualadh bos! That's you running away with the virtual prize then - if the Maryseses have anything left in petty cash...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 06/Jan/2017 13:36:13

    Well done indeed [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] - very well spotted. Hard to question the evidence of the vent, scraper and side-window layout! As [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] notes, and until we bulk up the petty cash stores (perhaps adopting the taxation model [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] mentions and applying a bag tax at the door to Library Towers), we can only offer a virtual prize. Which shall be the fabled "Sword of a Thousand Truths"! (Pause for atmospheric music to die down). And the satisfaction that the map is now updated :)

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 06/Jan/2017 13:50:38

    I wish men still wore hats. So dapper.

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    dantheserene

    • 06/Jan/2017 14:01:26

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] It's as if there was some sort of Google conspiracy to have a vehicle parked in front of the door in every street view photo ever taken. The construction vehicle when the street was temporarily fenced off was the real give away.

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    Melinda Young Stuart

    • 06/Jan/2017 14:27:15

    A self-important bunch!

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    Carol Maddock

    • 06/Jan/2017 16:54:51

    Wishing you all, and the Maryseses, a very happy Nollag na mBan! Here's one of our best Flickr mná... Miss Bay Farrell - known to "go out without her gloves". [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland/7533977572/]

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    Dún Laoghaire Micheál

    • 06/Jan/2017 19:42:16

    Dapper? In those suits?

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 06/Jan/2017 20:05:36

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well done - I am totally impressed. Here is your virtual prize to go with The Sword of a Thousand Truths - [https://www.flickr.com/photos/sugarsugar_au/6982017251/]:-)

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    O Mac

    • 06/Jan/2017 20:53:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] That's me on left right left ---Oh I don't know --- getting my Sword Award from the Director of the NLI www.flickr.com/photos/jasondub/298323074/in/photolist-smZ... [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] Shucks---- blushing away here...