Pembroke Prep? School, Motor Engine Shop: Cars x 4

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Where: 10 York Rd, Dublin, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1905

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A motor engine shop in a Prep school? That seems (A) a little bit extravagant and (B) aimed at a different class of student at a time when class seemed to be everything? This image from the Mason collection intrigues me, and I look forward to finding out a lot more about it...

With thanks today to sharon.corbet it seems likely that this image captures a motor engineering workshop at "Pembroke Day Trades Preparatory School" in Ringsend, Dublin (now site of Ringsend Technical College). Also thanks to BultacoFan and Niall McAuley for identifying the car registrations (and hence the likely earliest date for the image as 1903). Niall let's us know that, of the cars/registrations pictured, by 1911:
- LI-11 belonged to a Charles Farran of Rathfarnham
- RI-279 to a George Newcomen of 27 Earlsfort Terrace
- RI-247 to Alan McMullen of 108 James' Street, and
- FI-11 to JAB Trench, of Clonfert (Co Galway).

beachcomber suggests that Mr. Trench's motor (FI-11, middle right) could be a Rolls-Royce. But rightly points-out that, in this era of motoring, the coachwork was commonly built by separate coachbuilders. And hence it's not always straightforward to identify a model from its body-shape....


Photographer: Thomas H. Mason

Collection: Mason Photographic Collection

Date: Catalogue range c.1890-1910. Though not before 1903.

NLI Ref: M3/22

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Nov/2016 07:57:10

    The Pembroke Technical School in Ringsend had a Day Trades Preparatory School.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:31:10

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The DIA puts the Pembroke Technical School on Cambridge Street. The 25" has it. Streetview shows Ringsend College on the site. Ringsend College still offers courses in Motor Car Maintenance!

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    BultacoFan

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:35:23

    Registration numbers were only introduced in 1904.

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    BultacoFan

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:38:08

    According to Wikipedia (so it must be true!), FI was issued in Tipperary North Riding from Dec 1903 onwards.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:38:20

    I see FI-11, RI-273, LI-11 and maybe RI-247? Edit, no, in Megazoom, it is RI-279.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:40:47

    RI 1 to RI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Apr 1921); (Dublin) FI 1 to FI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Jan 1958). (Tipp North Riding) LI 1 to LI 9999 (Dec 1903 – Jun 1959). (Westmeath)

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2016 08:43:25

    In 1911, LI-11 belonged to Charles E. Farran of Highfield Manor, Rathfarnham. RI-279 belonged to George Arnold Newcomen of 27 Earlsfort Terrace, and RI-247 to Alan McMullen of 108 James' Street. FI-11 belonged to J.A.B. Trench, of Clonfert, Eyrecourt.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Nov/2016 09:00:31

    Newsy Notes From Ireland [Dublin, December 1908] ... Another interesting function was the distribution of prizes by the Lord Lieutenant to the students of the Pembroke Technical Schools, at Ringsend. Among the many useful things taught in these schools are machine construction and drawing, mechanical, electrical and motor engineering, while the classes for women give instruction in bookkeeping, toy making, machine knitting, cookery, and needlework, as well as dressmaking and millinery. ...
    From trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23598246?searchTerm=pe...

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    Niall McAuley

    • 02/Nov/2016 09:23:27

    Memories of the school (possibly in those same sheds!) from 1964.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Nov/2016 10:12:25

    The DIT has a lot of stuff in their archives e.g. the 1936 prospectus for Bolton St. and Ringsend Mechanical Engineering. Or the 1934 Exam for First Year Motor Car Engineering.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 02/Nov/2016 16:39:04

    The National Archives has mentions that there was a request "for burnt out motor car engines in Four Courts for instructional use in Ringsend Technical School" from 1923.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Nov/2016 19:38:12

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/bultacofan] Any idea on the make and models of the cars?

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    silverio10

    • 02/Nov/2016 21:39:19

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 02/Nov/2016 22:05:51

    FI-11 (middle right) looks like a Rolls-Royce - the radiator grille and cap. "Rolls-Royce did not provide the coachwork. Instead, the cars were sold in chassis form for the customer to arrange his own body supplier, with Barker recommended." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_10_hp en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_15_hp en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rolls_Royce_15hp.jpg

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 02/Nov/2016 22:32:59

    Excellent [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] and thanks all. Have updated the map, description and tags accordingly. We may not have the date 100% established, but the location and ownership history of pretty much every vehicle pictured is more than we'd expected here!

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 03/Nov/2016 00:24:25

    R1-11 almost looks like the Ford Model T, earliest produced is from 1908. Car on the very right is a runabout, short wheel base, one seat car. Oldsmobile? (I'm more familiar with American cars) The runabout is missing the engine, it appears to be a body only. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile_Curved_Dash

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Nov/2016 07:37:24

    From www.guinness-storehouse.com/content/pdf/archive-factsheet... Alan McMullen was a Brewer and lived in a Guinness owned house, 108 James' Street Towards the end of the 19th century the Company began developing the area of scientific brewing and began recruiting first class science graduates from Winchester, Oxford and Cambridge as apprentice brewers. Between 1893 and 1903 the Company recruited 11 apprentice brewers, the first of these scientific brewers was T.B. Case. Case held a first-class degree in Chemistry from Oxford and subsequent brewers at Guinness all held degrees from Oxford or Cambridge. Case’s appointment was soon followed by Alan McMullen, an Oxford graduate. The Brewers were on equal social terms with the Directors of the Company, being both feared and respected by Brewery employees. They enjoyed special privileges, they had their own private dining room in the Brewery and they lived in the Company houses, at 98 and 108 James’s Street. The more senior brewers lived in 98, the more junior in 108. They had a housekeeper, two maid servants and free heating and lighting. Each brewer had their own sitting room as well as a bedroom and shared a communal dining room and sitting room. Permission had to be sought from the Master Brewer to have a female visitor for tea! He ended up as Master Brewer for the period 1932 – 1937