The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch : commissioned by Terence G.Johnson, Esq

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Where: 7 Raheen Rd, Raheen, Clonmel, Co. Tipperary, Ireland

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To start the week is an unusual image from the Poole Collection. Labelled as "The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co. Down : commissioned by Terence G.Johnson, Esq", this is unusual in that it is far from his normal range around south Munster and Leinster. This one is labelled as north of the border, apparently in the 1930s when the two parts of the island were going their separate ways....

....When today's contributors couldn't seemingly find evidence of this house in Spa, County Down, sharon.corbet was (somehow through skill/graft/ESP or a mixture of all) able to confirm why: this isn't County Down at all. Rather, Sharon has confirmed that Poole didn't get this commission from more than 200 miles away in County Down, but from under 30 miles away: in Spa, County Tipperary. Closer to the usual Poole catchment area, and making way more sense, Sharon suggests that the Spa and Ballynahinch area of County Down was mistaken for "Raheen House, Spa, Ballynahinch, Co Tipperary" - where the family of Terence G(reer) Johnston lived...


Photographer: A. H. Poole

Collection: Poole Photographic Studio, Waterford

Date: c.30 October 1930

NLI Ref: POOLEWP 3768

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Oct/2016 09:24:17

    I see some references to The Carriage Rooms at Montalto Estate saying "aka the Lodge", but I don't see this building...

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Oct/2016 10:16:55

    These shots from other angles might help with identification. I don't know the area myself...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Oct/2016 10:17:06

    There were a few more photos of the house taken at the same time: catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594399 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594400 catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000594402 The 1918 Ulster Counties Directory has a John Anderson, Estate Agent at The Lodge, Spa, Ballynahinch.

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Oct/2016 21:09:20

    Wonderful old map which shows the location of the houses around Spa (before c.1876, when the Presbyterian Church was built ?). Unfortunately this house does not seem to be there - raremaps.com/gallery/detail/18514?view=print

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Oct/2016 21:58:25

    The Terence G. Johnson appears to be Major Terence Greer Johnston. His father is reported as living at "Raheen House, Spa, Ballynahinch, County Tipperary"...

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Oct/2016 22:17:10

    NIAH 25" OSI Map.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Oct/2016 23:05:00

    Well done [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]. Amazing stuff. That would seem to be spot-on. And you've even deduced how the mislabelling likely occured! Can I ask how you surmised it was Spa, Co. Tipperary rather than Spa, Co. Down? Or would that like a magician revealing their secrets? Will we just imagine that, as [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] implied the other week, you have the ability to "sniff the location through the screen"? :)

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Oct/2016 23:31:24

    Wow! Amazing stuff Sharon. Seems spot on to me also. It also looks like there is actually a connection to Co. Down. Which may further explain the mislabelling. The Johnston's (including Terence) were from Co. Down. Or at least they were there for the 1901 and 1911 censuses. Terence was undoubtedly born in Co. Down. Also, "Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland" gives Terence's father as follows (explaining both where the "Greer" came from, and further explaining how Spa, Co. Tipperary likely got conflated with Spa, Co. Down):

    Frederick William Johnston of Spa, Ballynahinch, Co. Down, (1868-1951) m. 1897 Leah Eliza Malcomson, dau of Thomas Malcomson and niece and adopted dau of John Malcomson Greer

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    Niall McAuley

    • 04/Oct/2016 07:37:23

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Brilliant!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 04/Oct/2016 08:00:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Impressed! Glad to see that this handsome building has survived and thrived.

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    DannyM8

    • 04/Oct/2016 08:38:27

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well done