"Street, Dublin City" is actually in Navan

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Where: Tara Mall, Trimgate St, Dillonsland, Navan, Co. Meath, Ireland

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Happy Toffee Tuesday to all. Today we've an image labelled as "Street, Dublin" from the turn of the 20th century. In one of those shops they will have sold my favourite hard rock toffee to stick the teeth together. We wondered whether locating this street would similarly cause our Flickroonies to get stuck... But "no" was to be the short (and quick) answer. Far from being in Dublin city or county, O Mac identified that this is Trimgate Street, Navan in Meath. sharon.corbet, Niall McAuley followed-up with confirmation by finding the various shop-keepers in the census - and in doing so also suggests that we're close to the middle of the catalogue range (perhaps c.1912-c.1920).....

As an aside, those following TG4's "Tríd an Lionsa" series about 19th century photography in Ireland (whether on Sunday/Tuesday nights or the catch-up player) might be interested to know that coming episodes will feature NLI images that we've discussed on this stream before...


Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Eason Photographic Collection

Date: Between 1900 - 1939

NLI Ref: EAS_1730

You can also view this image, and many thousands of others, on the NLI’s catalogue at catalogue.nli.ie

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Nov/2015 08:52:47

    FÓGRA - NOTICE. As an aside, those following TG4's "Tríd an Lionsa" series about 19th century photography in Ireland (whether on Sunday/Tuesday nights or the catch-up player) might be interested to know that coming episodes will feature NLI images that we've discussed on this stream before...

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    O Mac

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:01:27

    Trimgate Street, Navan Streetview

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    RETRO STU

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:06:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Well spotted!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:08:06

    Here's Patrick Clarke, farmer and victualler in the 1911 census. With Edward Donnelly, draper. next door.

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    DannyM8

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:08:51

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] How did you find that?

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    O Mac

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:13:48

    E Donnelly has his name over the door by 1911 but he's an assistant to a Thomas Mitchell in 1901.

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    O Mac

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:14:53

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Sure, it's only an hour from Dublin!

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    DannyM8

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:21:47

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] lol

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    sharon.corbet

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:25:11

    Montgomery Beatty, solicitor, was living in Academy St. in 1911. But he may have had his office on Trimgate St. He's not in the 1901 census.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:25:25

    Redbrick with oriel windows at right is from 1896, per the NIAH Refers to the current shopfront (the further one) as c. 1910, and it is different here, so I'm thinking 1900-1910

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:33:07

    OK, maybe not. The fancy-pants McDonalds further along was a Post Office, and only built in 1908.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 09:59:28

    I'm pretty sure I see the redbrick chimney of this house from 1912.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 10:44:53

    Patrick Clarke, Victualler is in the 1913 phone directory at Lennon Wylie

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 10:53:53

    So, 1912 to 1939, but very much towards the earlier part of the range.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 10:58:25

    The complete listings for Trimgate telephone numbers in 1913: Navan 31 Clarke, Patrick, Victualler Trimgate Street Navan 33 Loughran, Henry, General Merchant Trimgate Navan 7 McQuillan, P. J., General Merchant, Trimgate Street Navan 38 O'Hagan, Owen, Fish, Fruit Merchant, Trimgate Street Navan 43 Russell, James, Plumber Trimgate Street

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 11:08:28

    Lawlor the Baker at right is in the 1911 census, aged 66.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 03/Nov/2015 11:20:49

    These buildings at left are clearly in the photo, and hence a hundred years old, but are not in the list of protected structures or the NIAH.

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    guliolopez

    • 03/Nov/2015 12:59:40

    An interesting one - I don't think we've had an image so significantly mislabeled in a while. (Without [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]]'s speedy correction I'd have been Streetview "driving" up and down in Donnybrook or Blackrock trying to pinpoint the "Dublin" location...) On the date, I'd definitely agree with [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]. I know fashions take a while to move and change, but the mode of dress of the lady crossing the road would seem to suggest c.1920 rather than (say) c.1930 or later. In relation to the "Tríd an Lionsa" series, if anyone hasn't seen it I'd definitely recommend. The first episode about Jane Shackleton gave a bit of colour to how "our" Augusta Caroline Dillon probably captured and showed her images. And there's a sequence where (in real life) one of the "presenters" is seeking out the location of a shot from the Aran Islands. Again very reminiscent of efforts here...

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 03/Nov/2015 19:58:32

    Thanks all - The "Location Identified" klaxon is duly rung, and description, tags and map updated to reflect all the effort and learnings above. Thanks again!

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 03/Nov/2015 20:16:03

    Whilst-you're-in-the-mood, there is a 'similar item' in the NLI catalogue also called "Street, Dublin City, Co. Dublin" - catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000557532/Image?lookfor=http:... - similar huge mascara telephone poles ...[https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] probably has it sorted already! Amused to see that Navan is another one of those Irish towns with a triangular square. According to wikipedia - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navan - Navan is one of the world's few towns that has a palindromic name. What are the others ?

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    O Mac

    • 04/Nov/2015 00:35:52

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] www.google.ie/maps/@53.6520873,-6.6832585,3a,75y,14.62h,8... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_palindromic_places

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 04/Nov/2015 03:22:32

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Respect !

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    Paddywhack56

    • 04/Nov/2015 20:08:38

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Henry Loughran's still trading as a pub today and still in same family: www.flickr.com/photos/paddywhack56/22870446405/in/datepos...

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    Paddywhack56

    • 04/Nov/2015 20:20:36

    Trimgate Street not hugely altered as a streetscape even today is, or was before the advent of shopping centres, the town's principal shopping street. Navan, unlike most Irish provincial towns, doesn't have a street called "Main Street". For comparison purposes, here is the same section of the street on a wet Sunday morning: www.flickr.com/photos/paddywhack56/22856954542/in/datepos...

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    medea_ry

    • 06/Nov/2015 10:21:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia] That photo is Ludlow Street Navan, I wonder how many more pics are mis-identified

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    medea_ry

    • 06/Nov/2015 10:33:47

    Nial [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Hi Nial, where are the listings for the telephone numbers?

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    Niall McAuley

    • 06/Nov/2015 16:14:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The 1913 phone book is here at the Lennon Wylie page, along with lots of Belfast and Ulster street directories.

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    medea_ry

    • 06/Nov/2015 17:19:33

    Thanks Nial