View of some of the Stalls at the Show, Ballsbridge, Co. Dublin

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From one venerable Irish institution, Rebellion, to another, the Royal Dublin Society. This image is of the main hall at the RDS during either the Spring or Horse Show in the early 20th century.

The comments below offer interesting insights into the exhibitors and, importantly for us, a more refined date range for the photo. Thanks to all - and in particular Carol Maddock whose investigations into the stand-holders and numbers would seem to establish a date or dates. We've updated the range for the entry (on Flickr at least for now), and mapped the image to the RDS Ballsbridge exhibition centre main hall.


Photographer: Unknown

Collection: Eason Photographic Collection

Date: ca. 1900-1939 (though probably ca. 1907-1913)

NLI Ref: EAS_1648

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Sep/2015 07:30:08

    Given the amount of horseriding boots on display, and the fact that the photos before and after in the sequence are of the jumping enclosure, I'd say it's a Horse Show.

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    swordscookie back and trying to catch up!

    • 08/Sep/2015 07:34:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I was thinking that the boater indicated a warmer season and Spring in Ireland is rarely that warm:-)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Sep/2015 07:43:59

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/swordscookie] I would wonder whether summer in Ireland is that warm :-)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Sep/2015 07:57:59

    It can't be between 1914 and 1919 because there were no Horse Shows thanks to WWI. "The Horse Show Committee made the decision due to the continued occupation of their grounds at Ballsbridge by the British military."

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 08:58:47

    1907 to 1912? Watson’s Clontarf Nurseries were in Clontarf from at least 1900, but didn’t open their Nassau Street branch - pardon the pun - until August 1907 (Leinster Express). They provided all floral displays for the Royal Visit to Dublin in 1911, from building decoration to bouquets for the visiting dignitaries. Can’t find anything after November 1912 (Irish Independent) for them being at Nassau Street, but will keep checking.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:16:44

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Sharon, you had a link to telephone directories a while back - can't remember which photo?

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:18:02

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Watson's is still in Nassau St. in the 1913 telephone directory, but that was probably printed some time in 1912.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:26:37

    Advert from The London Times Thursday, Mar 02, 1916 manfield

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:28:28

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Ah thanks. I'm checking for Coyle of Grafton Street too. By the look of the stand, they were Ladies' Tailors. I've found them at 9 Grafton Street in 1900, and 24 Grafton Street in 1902-1905. Last advert I could find for Coyle's on Grafton Street is in 1909. Still at 24 Grafton Street according to 1913 telephone directory, thanks Sharon.

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    sharon.corbet

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:34:54

    Peal's had a pretty impressive client list over their 174 year history. But no help on the date, as they were in Oxford St. from 1886 to 1958.

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    John Spooner

    • 08/Sep/2015 09:47:44

    Manfield & Sons placed several illustrated adverts for boots and shoes in the Times (London) in 1915 and 1916, all for different models, but all claimed to be eminently suitable for Active Service use. I suppose you could say they were on a war footing.

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    O Mac

    • 08/Sep/2015 10:20:04

    " White's Wafer Oats" White Tomkin and Courage were formed at "turn of 20th Century" and still on the go. Day, Son & Hewitt Ltd. Animal medicines are also still in business. Arnold and Son's -- active 1829-1928, surgical instrument maker, London, England 'Watsons Nursery Clontarf, 1880-1920 Edwardian costume would suggest pre WW1

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    Myrtille T.

    • 08/Sep/2015 11:41:39

    It's quiet impressive !

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 08/Sep/2015 12:28:25

    Dressing style seems closer to the Twenties or Thirties.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 12:48:31

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Re Watson's Nursery Clontarf - they didn't open on Nassau Street until August 1907.

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    O Mac

    • 08/Sep/2015 14:06:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] What month in 1907? So July/Aug 1907/8 ---July/Aug 1913?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 16:21:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Yep, earliest date is August 1907 (from new Nassau St. address for Watson's Nursery) and from fashion, etc. (and no Horse Show during WWI), latest date probably August 1913... The Horse Show then always used to be at the end of August.

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    O Mac

    • 08/Sep/2015 16:30:33

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Tally-Ho. Sound.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 16:44:23

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Can you make out stand numbers? I'm getting Manfield as Stand 19? The Savoy as Stand 17? Peal & Co. as Stand 18?

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    O Mac

    • 08/Sep/2015 17:04:54

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Ah come-on !! have ye nothing better to be doin? ......Stand 14 is Day, Son & Hewitt --but sure you knew that. Where did you come on Watsons?Nassau St date?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 17:35:00

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Nary a thing! ;) Thanks for 14. Though most reports in Irish papers focus on the Irish exhibitors (more on this anon). Little article in the Leinster Express on 31 August 1907 waxed lyrical about Watson's and all their floral works, and how they'd just opened new premises in Nassau Street.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 18:10:12

    Searched for all the companies in a range of newspapers, as there were annual reports on some of the businesses that had stands in the central hall of the R.D.S. Mixed results, sadly - couldn’t find anything for 1909, 1911, 0r 1913... 1907 Abraham Neill / Castalia was on Stand 4. T.J. Callaghan at Stand 26 “is almost too big for description” [doesn’t sound right]. And Frank Callaghan was at Stand 19. Frank C. was also saddlery, etc. and usually based at 11 Dame Street, while T.J. Callaghan ran their business from 13, 14, 15 and 16 Dame Street. (Oh, and Eason and Son were at Stand 35) 1908 Abraham Neill / Castalia was on Stand 4 again. T.J. Callaghan was at Stand 23 “near the entrance to the refreshment room” (and Frank Callaghan was at Stand 18.) Watson and Sons, Clontarf Nurseries were at Stand 29 “on the right-hand corner, adjacent to the entrance turnstiles, and is one of the most conspicuous ornaments of the hall.” (And Eason and Son were at Stand 35 again) 1912 T.J. Callaghan was at Stand 13. Watson & Sons were on Stand 48. (Eason and Son there too, but no stand number - not that it really matters, as we can't see Eason anywhere in the photo. Just added them as this is one of their photos)

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    O Mac

    • 08/Sep/2015 21:11:17

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I see where you're coming from! It looks like it might be odd numbers down the middle. If thats a 15 rather than an 18 at Peal & Co's stand it would put T.J. Callaghan at Stand 13 which matches your 1912 above? Your 1907 and 1908 stand no's don't match. Any stuff on 1909/10/11?

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    Carol Maddock

    • 08/Sep/2015 21:31:35

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Nope. Couldn't find any of "our" firms for 1909, 1910, 1911, or 1913.

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 09/Sep/2015 00:30:18

    Thanks again to all for the investigative efforts. Looks like (based on the eagle-eyed who spotted the stand numbers), we might be able to refine the date. If the collective eye-sight isn't too strained, do look-out for the: • guy standing on a large box (by the tyres exhibitor) placing what looks like a mannequin atop the Callaghan stand • marvellous light fixtures • liveried chaps on the mezzanine, who (given stance and lack of headgear) may be in servicing/catering. Or perhaps something more grand(?) • young guy in the peaked cap selling (or showing or delivering?) something to the two blokes in the centre aisle (with bowler and boater) (Beats Where's Waldo any day :) )

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    sharon.corbet

    • 09/Sep/2015 06:09:47

    if it is 1912, there was at least one Australian visitor who wasn't all that impressed: "Their inside exhibits were poor and few, though they have a spacious hall. The Queensland court was out by itself, far more attractive than those of any of the other States and Canada, much to their annoyance." From, the Brisbane Courier, October 12, 1912.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 09/Sep/2015 08:55:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] I'm not sure if it was 1912, but definitely the earliest possible date for this is August 1907 (Nassau Street address for Watson's) and latest possible, I think, is August 1913. This is from your finding that no Horse Shows were held during WWI. Also I think the clothes are Edwardian-ish rather than 1920s. So I'm going for a date between August 1907 and August 1913.

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