Cross at Blackrock, Co. Dublin.

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Where: 37-39 Main St, Blackrock, Dublin, Ireland

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When: 01 January 1900

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This reminds me of the Spencer Tracy film, "Bad day at Blackrock" so the question is which Blackrock is it. A really nice Mason shot to start this week.

sharon.corbet Identified the Location as Blackrock Co. Dublin. She tells us that "The cross used to mark the boundary of the city of Dublin:

In the centre of the village is a large block of granite, on which are the remains of an ancient cross; to this spot, which is the southern extremity of the city of Dublin, the lord mayor, with the civic authorities, proceeds when perambulating the boundaries of his jurisdiction."


Photographer: Thomas H. Mason

Collection: The Mason Photographic Collection

Date: ca. 1890-1910

NLI Ref: M26/24

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Owner: National Library of Ireland on The Commons
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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 07:29:49

    The one in Co. Dublin. Apparently although it's now on Main Street (Streetview) it has moved around a bit: "In 1865 there was a huge controversy over whether or not the cross should be removed completely. Instead the cross was moved and a new base was built for it. Having been at a few locations, the cross is now on Main Street. The present day cross is smaller with parts having been removed from it."

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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 07:32:24

    That's a milestone beside it giving distances to Dublin and Kingstown (1 7/8 miles? Sounds about right.)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 07:45:32

    25" OSI Map showing Market Cross and M.S. for milestone, which probably is the position of the cross in the photo above, and definitely this Lawrence collection shot.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 17/Aug/2015 07:57:39

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] The modern Central Café is at #42, which confirms that the cross in this shot is in the position marked in the OSI 25". Temple Road has been widened since, and the shops labelled Magrath as well as Marsden in the Lawrence and this Mason from a different date are gone now.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 17/Aug/2015 08:00:39

    Marie Magrath was a Retired Draper in 1901.

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    Niall McAuley

    • 17/Aug/2015 08:09:14

    I think the location is in the distance in this one, but not sure if the cross is there: Dublin, but where? Main Street in Blackrock!

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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 08:22:45

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley] Definitely the same location (even with reference to Magrath & Co. in the comments). I don't think the cross is there.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 17/Aug/2015 08:41:50

    Magrath & Co., General Drapers, were at nos. 40 and 42 on Main Street in Blackrock. In July 1891, they advertised for a “smart Saleswoman” and said that preference would be given to a “good window dresser”. (Freeman’s Journal) In May 1907, a General Servant was wanted — “must be good plain cook, clean, tidy, strictly sober, early riser, small family; no washing; wages £12. Apply 40 and 42 Main street, Blackrock.” (Freeman’s Journal)

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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 08:49:27

    The cross used to mark the boundary of the city of Dublin: "In the centre of the village is a large block of granite, on which are the remains of an ancient cross; to this spot, which is the southern extremity of the city of Dublin, the lord mayor, with the civic authorities, proceeds when perambulating the boundaries of his jurisdiction." From A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, 1837

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    BeachcomberAustralia

    • 17/Aug/2015 09:25:55

    From a 1909 Australian newspaper - " ... There is an interesting old cross at Blackrock, which had been lost to the district but for the thoughtfulness and determination of a few working men of the locality. The origin of the cross is wholly unknown. Even tradition tells nothing about it. Some surmise that it was connected, in a remote period, with some church which has long since vanished. For a long time this cross was used as a municipal boundary, but forty years ago [ie c.1870], it was decided by the authorities it was an obstruction to traffic, and must be removed. A number of poor labourers and artisans living in the locality, hearing of the proposal, raised a sum of money, took possession of the venerated old cross and re-erected it on a spot where It could not be an obstruction to anyone, and there it stands to the present day. ... " From - trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/170908969 (bottom of first column)

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    Carol Maddock

    • 17/Aug/2015 11:57:51

    I think Marie Magrath, presumably née Sheil, from [https://www.flickr.com/photos/gnmcauley]’s 1901 census link above was the widow of Thomas Magrath, Main Street, Blackrock. His death was announced in November 1900 in the Freeman’s Journal. He was a member of the DUC (District Urban Council?) and also PLG??

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    sharon.corbet

    • 17/Aug/2015 13:22:13

    "Jno Marsden & Co. General mart, agents for Globe Parcel Express" and "Thomas Magrath, Boot and Shoe Warehouse" are listed at 43 & 45 Main St. respectively in 1893. In addition, 40 & 42 Main St. are "Thomas Magrath & Co., Drapers and Haberdashers, Boot and Shoe Warehouse, etc." with Thomas Magrath and J.J. Sheil mentioned. Both are also found at 1 Newtown Ave. Magrath is also listed as a Town Commissioner. [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/] I think PLG is Poor Law Guardian.

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    oaktree_brian_1976

    • 17/Aug/2015 14:05:29

    So it's a mile marker/city limits marker?

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    National Library of Ireland on The Commons

    • 17/Aug/2015 17:49:42

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Brian, I think it was in the distant past.

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    Carol Maddock

    • 17/Aug/2015 19:19:23

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Thanks Sharon. That makes sense, as at some stage he was elected to the Rathdown Board of Guardians, to take the place of a man who never turned up to their meetings. The only snippet I could find on the cross itself was printed in the Freeman’s Journal in October 1865…

    THE CROSS AT BLACKROCK We understand that the inhabitants of Blackrock are actively engaged beautifying the old cross. The movement that was on foot some few days ago having for its object the transfer of the cross to another site, we are informed, did not find favour with the people.

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    silverio10

    • 17/Aug/2015 19:57:53

    Buenas fotos antiguas .

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    sharon.corbet

    • 18/Aug/2015 03:48:11

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] [https://www.flickr.com/photos/nlireland] The smaller stone on the right, half hidden under the "goods on sale" is the mile marker. Here's another example in Ballsbridge. Up to 1840, the cross was apparently used as a city limits marker. There's a map on page 2 of this article showing the limits of Dublin up to 1840. (They were a liittle strange, I have to say, with a little strip going as far as Blackrock village.) After 1840 they changed the limits leading to it becoming "an obstruction to traffic" as [https://www.flickr.com/photos/beachcomberaustralia]'s link describes. So it was moved to the position above.

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    O Mac

    • 18/Aug/2015 07:41:18

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] And the city limits are also clearly shown in yellow on the 6" colourdy OS map.

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    osullivanbrid

    • 15/Nov/2015 22:14:54

    My great uncle was John J Sheil from Roscommon and he was married to Kate Magrath and they lived at 29 Newtown Ave. Kate's sister Marie lived with them and they had no family. Kate's father Thomas Magrath was married to Anne Maguire and he owned a drapery shop - Magrath & Co at 40 and 42 Main Street Blackrock and when he died John and Kate looked after the business. John died in 1928 and Kate died in 1940. Brid O Sullivan

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    Niall McAuley

    • 18/Nov/2015 15:32:05

    [https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]] Here they are in the census of 1911

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    osullivanbrid

    • 19/Nov/2015 11:50:51

    Thanks for that Niall, I am starting to do my family tree and I would be very interested in any snippets of information on John and Kate and what actually happened to the shop after they died, and is that building still there or has it been demolished Brid

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    Niall McAuley

    • 19/Nov/2015 12:42:25

    The shop is gone now, the road was widened. The shop was to the right of this building. In this image, in the distance, you can see that the row of shops used to be longer than today's four windows upstairs.

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    osullivanbrid

    • 19/Nov/2015 21:13:13

    That's very interesting Niall ,thanks for that I will have a look at that the next time I'm in Blackrock